Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)


Forum rules
User avatar
lilith2013
lilith2013
she/her
Spice of Life
User avatar
User avatar
lilith2013
she/her
Spice of Life
Spice of Life
Posts: 7170
Joined: September 22, 2015
Pronoun: she/her
Location: New York
Contact:

Post Post #550 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:49 am

Post by lilith2013 »

V
OTECOUNT
2.002
P
LAYER
N
AME
C
URRENT
V
OTES
S
TRENGTH
S
PEED
K
NOWLEDGE
P
LAYER
N
AME
Gamma Emerald
None
EL-7
3
2
4
Gamma Emerald
SirCakez
None
EL-7
2
3
3
SirCakez
CreativeMod1
None
EL-7
3
3
3
CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage
None
EL-7
3
3
3
Albert B. Rampage
Pine
SirCakez, Gamma Emerald
EL-5
3
3
4
Pine
Bingle
PenguinPower, Fun and Games, CreativeMod1
EL-4
3
3
3
Bingle
Nosferatu
None
EL-7
3
3
1
Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking
None
EL-7
3
3
3
I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower
None
EL-7
3
3
3
PenguinPower
Fun and Games
None
EL-7
3
3
3
Fun and Games
Ydrasse
None
EL-7
3
3
3
Ydrasse
beeboy
Bingle, Albert B. Rampage
EL-5
3
3
3
beeboy
Not Voting
Pine, Nosferatu, I Keep Siteflaking, Ydrasse, beeboy
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes:

None
pagetops: Lilith 8 | penguin 8 | cm1 2 | ABR 1 | gamma 1 | gb 1 | fun & games 1
Last edited by lilith2013 on Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
I Keep Siteflaking
I Keep Siteflaking
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
I Keep Siteflaking
Goon
Goon
Posts: 433
Joined: August 15, 2020
Location: Europe

Post Post #551 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:53 am

Post by I Keep Siteflaking »

In post 545, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.
In post 7, lilith2013 wrote:Each player's life story and background provides them with a
unique
special ability called a Career, which is not linked to their alignment. (See sample role PM below.)
So it seems that backgrounds were distributed without looking at one's alignment.
User avatar
CreativeMod1
CreativeMod1
Operative Excel-lence
User avatar
User avatar
CreativeMod1
Operative Excel-lence
Operative Excel-lence
Posts: 740
Joined: August 14, 2018

Post Post #552 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:01 am

Post by CreativeMod1 »

See I still don't quite believe that cos otherwise you could end up with a scum who is a cop or a town who is a roomblocker (which whilst yes possible, I don't think would be too helpful for their own team)

I still think that it's more of the background and story isn't alignment based, I still think the career is
♪ ♫
I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original
♫ ♪
Come play: Codenames! | Taskmaster!
GTKAS!
It's easier to message me on Discord: CreativeMod1#3798
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #553 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:11 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 548, CreativeMod1 wrote:Also, yes I can prove a second exploration, I won't say exactly how unless pushed but I can prove it
If it is "I was the one to find the gymnasium/lab/blahblahblah" do so now, because that proof becomes useless when we have more dead people who might have done that thing and your being cc'd becomes less and less probable if you're fakeclaiming. Otherwise, I'll have to get back to you sometime this day phase, because I have a busy day today and can't think it all the way through atm.
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #554 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:16 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 548, CreativeMod1 wrote:What I'm trying to say is IF Scum!Bingle hard defending Town!CM1 and then Bingle flips as being scum then there's a lot of sus now on CM1...but I will say is that yet again you haven't answered the question I asked you now twice, I don't understand what your logic was back then and I still don't
If ScumBingle -> Bingle knows GB won't flip scum.

If Bingle knows GB is town -> GB scumflip cannot happen.

If GB scumflip cannot happen -> cmod town if GB scum isn't actually defending you when we were about to eliminate GB.
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 63692
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: Bigender (He/She)

Post Post #555 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:17 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

In post 547, Bingle wrote:
In post 545, Gamma Emerald wrote:And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.
Interesting. That’s +equity for small town. Also Pine is a scumread?
I think on a preponderance of evidence from my own role information and the events of N1 shows Pine has a good chance to be scum. I could also see him being scum by play, but mechanics was the driving element here.
@IKS acknowledged, however there’s still the fact 2 labs were activated, I suspect Pine may have used his elevated knowledge to do so, since while the exact details aren’t disclosed I know scum still need to do a knowledge roll to activate labs, seeing as it’s required in the role portion I described.
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.

Visit my
new
GTKAS page here!
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #556 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:21 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 269, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 163, CreativeMod1 wrote:VOTE: Nosferatu

I also didn't catch this in the rules, but if doctors have an ability relating to reducing down their knowledge for something then it's kinda sus that someone has lower knowledge and I'd like to get to the bottom of this
In post 164, CreativeMod1 wrote:UNVOTE: nosferatu

I probably should've actually reread the rules before replying
It seems more like nosferatu was subject to an attack by the doctors
I think this might be Town!CM indicative.

Looking at CM's meta, I can seem to find a single scum game, so if he were to roll it, it would be one of his first time playing. I don't think this slip up comes from Newb Scum.
In post 293, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 272, Bingle wrote:Do you think there is a quantity of games played as town/modded that makes you not newbscum or is it just a function of actually playing as scum, GB?
I feel like after 3 or so scum games, people usually iron out suspicious behaviors as scum. Like being overly defensive, copying reads list, forced scum hunting, fence sitting, etc. So, both?
This stance did not strike me as S/S nor did the F&G interaction with GB on page 14. I never elaborated because those observations are now useless. They weren't S/S, because one of the participants flipped town.
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #557 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:22 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 555, Gamma Emerald wrote:scum still need to do a knowledge roll to activate labs, seeing as it’s required in the role portion I described.
I missed this the first time and it is SPICY.

what roll is required?
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 63692
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: Bigender (He/She)

Post Post #558 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:24 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.

Visit my
new
GTKAS page here!
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #559 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:25 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 548, CreativeMod1 wrote:Finally I've just had a thought, when we get round to voting someone off, if said player is a town player then I highly suggest they send their items to whoever they think is the towniest player....if we leave it on the floor then there's a chance that scum will be able to pick it up (likewise if you have a daytime ability, use it before you die)
Eh.

If the item is really good, sure. Otherwise, having a collection of garbage on the floor gives us the option of leashing actions to picking garbage off of the floor, since it has a visible effect.
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #560 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:27 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 558, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check
Explicitly though you can activate labs? Can you ask what number you would need?
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 63692
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: Bigender (He/She)

Post Post #561 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:27 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

I never thought to try that actually
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.

Visit my
new
GTKAS page here!
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #562 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:33 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 420, Bingle wrote:
In post 391, Fun and Games wrote:I don't understand why people are reading anything into careers as it is stated by mod to be unrelated to our actual alignments
I firmly disagree with this interpretation, FWIW, because the game is nominally balanced and we already have claims that have a distinct difference in power as town or scum.

There is a chance it means that roles and alignments were randomized independently, but more likely it just means that if someone’s role is healing or knowledge based that doesn’t automatically make them scum.
In post 551, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:
In post 545, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.
In post 7, lilith2013 wrote:Each player's life story and background provides them with a
unique
special ability called a Career, which is not linked to their alignment. (See sample role PM below.)
So it seems that backgrounds were distributed without looking at one's alignment.
While it is possible that we're in a smalltown situation (and gamma's claim made that possibility rise) balancing a setup where role and alignment are distributed separately is much, much harder than balancing a setup where town has scummy roles and scum has towny roles. The latter is still the more likely interpretation imo.

Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #563 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:37 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 534, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:I don't think eliminating Bingle early is wise. He has a tendency of carrying town with mechanics. Regardless of his alignment.
Image
User avatar
PenguinPower
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
User avatar
User avatar
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
.peng
Posts: 22435
Joined: June 15, 2016
Pronoun: He/Him

Post Post #564 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:18 am

Post by PenguinPower »

In post 562, Bingle wrote:Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.
I'm a cop of unknown sanity.
<(") | (")>
User avatar
I Keep Siteflaking
I Keep Siteflaking
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
I Keep Siteflaking
Goon
Goon
Posts: 433
Joined: August 15, 2020
Location: Europe

Post Post #565 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:06 am

Post by I Keep Siteflaking »

VOTE: pine
User avatar
Fun and Games
Fun and Games
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Fun and Games
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1157
Joined: September 7, 2020

Post Post #566 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:06 am

Post by Fun and Games »

VOTE: abr

Again
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 63692
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: Bigender (He/She)

Post Post #567 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:20 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

In post 560, Bingle wrote:
In post 558, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check
Explicitly though you can activate labs? Can you ask what number you would need?
In post 561, Gamma Emerald wrote:I never thought to try that actually
I just checked and it’s a doctors only thing
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.

Visit my
new
GTKAS page here!
User avatar
Bingle
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Bingle
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 7704
Joined: July 21, 2019
Location: Bad Player Jail

Post Post #568 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:57 am

Post by Bingle »

In post 564, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 562, Bingle wrote:Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.
I'm a cop of unknown sanity.
A50 is scum, you're naive.
User avatar
PenguinPower
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
User avatar
User avatar
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
.peng
Posts: 22435
Joined: June 15, 2016
Pronoun: He/Him

Post Post #569 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:08 am

Post by PenguinPower »

VOTE: ABR
<(") | (")>
User avatar
Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage
Illogical Rampage
User avatar
User avatar
Albert B. Rampage
Illogical Rampage
Illogical Rampage
Posts: 27261
Joined: April 8, 2007
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico

Post Post #570 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:19 am

Post by Albert B. Rampage »

In post 545, Gamma Emerald wrote:So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.
Good point. You have my vote.

VOTE: Pine
Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.
User avatar
Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage
Illogical Rampage
User avatar
User avatar
Albert B. Rampage
Illogical Rampage
Illogical Rampage
Posts: 27261
Joined: April 8, 2007
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico

Post Post #571 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:20 am

Post by Albert B. Rampage »

Pine needs to explain his knowledge +1.
Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.
User avatar
PenguinPower
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
User avatar
User avatar
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
.peng
Posts: 22435
Joined: June 15, 2016
Pronoun: He/Him

Post Post #572 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:11 pm

Post by PenguinPower »

In post 219, Pine wrote:I mean yeah. It’s D1.
It's now D2.

wut up tree?
<(") | (")>
User avatar
SirCakez
SirCakez
he/him
Is A Lie
User avatar
User avatar
SirCakez
he/him
Is A Lie
Is A Lie
Posts: 24820
Joined: June 18, 2015
Pronoun: he/him

Post Post #573 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:45 pm

Post by SirCakez »

VOTE: Pine
I believe Gamma's claim
Brian Skies - "
I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup.
"

--------------------
Get to know a Cakez! Newly updated!
User avatar
SirCakez
SirCakez
he/him
Is A Lie
User avatar
User avatar
SirCakez
he/him
Is A Lie
Is A Lie
Posts: 24820
Joined: June 18, 2015
Pronoun: he/him

Post Post #574 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:46 pm

Post by SirCakez »

oh I was already voting him lmao
Brian Skies - "
I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup.
"

--------------------
Get to know a Cakez! Newly updated!
Locked