Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Prism]

We know there's deepwolves about.

Well together with flipping Lavender Day 3 [referring to what happens after we flip Taylor if she's town]

[CantHateAPuppy]

It is 100% based on my read on redtea. I don't see the meta being wrong. It's something I thought about a lot, and just the thought of "Maybe I should doubt this" has repeatedly brought me back to the question "Then what

do

I have faith in this game?" It makes me think that I have to have faith in

something

this game, I can't just keep saying "oh god oh fuck what if they're just playing really well" on everything. My redtea read is the one thing that's kept me centered this game and if I'm going to bet on myself and my ability to read accurately, this is the one that's worth doing so.

I don't think that redtea comes out that confident as scum. I don't think they go aggressive on catboi like that if they decided to buddy. I think everything they did this game fits extremely well with how they played+evolved over the course of SIN. And yeah, that's the one thing in the game I am hardbetting on.

ok, thanks. i think i just decided ur wrong in the post before this one, but i will keep this in mind. if u get killed tonight and hectic isn't scum / chara flips somewhere we were expecting, i will respect ur read. if we both live to tomorrow and hectic flips scum here / is chara i will want to come back and discuss this more. can we make a promise of it?

a vague and kind of inconsistent but in my head it makes sense promise?

[Prism]

Another PSA; I also could've hammered Lav when she was at L-1 if I were ChAra, rather than extend the day and continue to spew reads and associations with almost everyone in the playerlist.

??? she literally was at L-1 for like 10 minutes

[Krazy]

I disagree that Hectic is a better gamesolve flip than Taylor. Taylor flipping town still puts us in a pretty good position. We know there's deepwolves about.

Hectic flipping town is disastrous and leaves Tayl0r still unresolved along with literally every other lurker slot. Almost every hardtown is also on that except MT so there's not even a good deepwolf indicator.

I don't see what useful information tayl0r flipping town tells us about the game

[Prism]

and deal

first day of day 3 though if i'm alive i'm busting out a bottle of wine at the realization i have to do all of this all over again because i hate myself

[CantHateAPuppy]

I disagree that Hectic is a better gamesolve flip than Taylor. Taylor flipping town still puts us in a pretty good position.

We know there's deepwolves about.

Hectic flipping town is disastrous and leaves Tayl0r still unresolved along with literally every other lurker slot. Almost every hardtown is also on that except MT so there's not even a good deepwolf indicator.

ok it turns out we don't agree on as much as i thought. i don't know whether to shout or cry

[Hectic]

Krazy is probably the regular wolf who would much rather have me dead than Lav/Tayl0r now since he knows I still scumread his slot.

There's barely any progression there.

So you do scumread me and I'm not just "something else"?

I scumread your slot, but am choosing to ignore the replacement part if the scumread.

I scumread redtea for his soft defenses of Ele, and scumread Suji for reading day 1 and having no options on it. Your play has been fine, and I liked your case on Tanner.
Overall, your slot is still the closest thing I have to a scumread.

[Prism]

I disagree that Hectic is a better gamesolve flip than Taylor. Taylor flipping town still puts us in a pretty good position. We know there's deepwolves about.

Hectic flipping town is disastrous and leaves Tayl0r still unresolved along with literally every other lurker slot. Almost every hardtown is also on that except MT so there's not even a good deepwolf indicator.

I don't see what useful information tayl0r flipping town tells us about the game

??? that slot is literally one of the hardest to solve on its own+you immediately know that bussing happened day 1

[Hectic]

Another PSA; I also could've hammered Lav when she was at L-1 if I were ChAra, rather than extend the day and continue to spew reads and associations with almost everyone in the playerlist.

??? she literally was at L-1 for like 10 minutes

Right, I got the impression it was longer because Krazy fake voted a few times.

[Morning Tweet]

Were you even there for the L-1 Hectic?

[CantHateAPuppy]

and deal

first day of day 3 though if i'm alive i'm busting out a bottle of wine at the realization i have to do all of this all over again because i hate myself

never mind. just tell me who u want and i will put aside last reservations. im all the way ready

[Prism]

ok it turns out we don't agree on as much as i thought. i don't know whether to shout or cry

this is in the event tayl0r flips town+lavender flips town day 3, because lavender is hands down the best day 3 vote.

use the 1/7 fight rather than risk them in the 50/50, or worse yet, being given the hammer in the 50/50 by scum's choice of the cop investigation

[Prism]

I do want Tayl0r. I think if Hectic flips Chara overnight we're still in a fine position.

Vote for who you think is scum at the end of the day, though. I'm not the town dictator.

[Hectic]

Were you even there for the L-1 Hectic?

Looking back; nope, I wasn't.

[Krazy]

??? that slot is literally one of the hardest to solve on its own+you immediately know that bussing happened day 1

idk, I don't think the "The game makes more sense if it's Hectic" line is going to come from scum unless it also had a big detailed explanation, the elegance there of feeling like the game was easier to solve but not being able to fully articulate it actually felt more town to me

[Prism]

Like let me be clear: I have not solved this game. Even if I'm right and it's 2/3 of Taylor/Hectic/Chara, I still got absolutely thrashed. And there's a very good chance it's not 2 out of 3.

but my vote today is Tayl0r

[Tanner]

Spoiler: taylor on hectic

nah hectic and MT are both town

could you expand on this? what's your level of confidence in hectic town?

hectic town is more confident. hectic did some stuff day 1 that scum wouldnt do. early on pushing and continuing to push the spare argument.

apparently hectic and morning can only be scum with me, which if true clears both of them, but idk if thats good reasoning because a) preflip associatives, and b)the other scum is chara so things might be different

I'm honoured, you're too kind to me, Pooky

this reads as a bit too genuine to me. as though hectic is actually a deepwolf.

you all might not know me well enough to know this, but the quotes morning picked out are me towntelling, and im actually a bit disappointed that i made it so obvious. ironically, despite it being obvious none of you know me well enough to know that im towntelling there. except maybe hectic. and hectic didnt pick up on it.

hectic's defense of himself is that i can only be scum with him, and that im town, therefore he must also be town. but the fact that i can only be scum with him (which you might contest) says nothing about whether he can be scum with other people. but it does explain why hectic is so insistent on defending me.

usually hectic is extremely paranoid about me and kinda assumes im scum. the fact that hes not doing that here means hes probably scum

HURT: hectic

"i don't get this at all" is the nicer version of what this post said before

[Krazy]

I do want Tayl0r. I think if Hectic flips Chara overnight we're still in a fine position.

Vote for who you think is scum at the end of the day, though. I'm not the town dictator.

that's a fine strat when we're not at 12 hours left and I have 0 momentum on Tanner

if I'm compromising, I'm compromising on Hectic over Tayl0r

[Hectic]

What's the unofficial VC at? Anyone keeping track?

[Morning Tweet]

Were you even there for the L-1 Hectic?

Looking back; nope, I wasn't.

I thought so

so like technically if you are Chara, you didn't get the chance

I don't think you're Chara

but still that point isn't really true

[Hectic]

Krazy is scummmm voting me out after initially saying I was IC levels of obvtown and then saying he still liked me as town repeatedly, and then voting me because "info" only after I clarified that his slot was still at the bottom of my reaslist, and that I'm just not pushing him today because he isn't ChAra.

[Prism]

Krazy's lines actually really bother me here in that learning more from Hectic-flip is complete hogwash, like I want to hear that argument fleshed out because that is the single biggest reason I refuse to vote the dude

[Hectic]

Were you even there for the L-1 Hectic?

Looking back; nope, I wasn't.

I thought so

so like technically if you are Chara, you didn't get the chance

I don't think you're Chara

but still that point isn't really true

Ja

[Krazy]

Krazy's lines actually really bother me here in that learning more from Hectic-flip is complete hogwash, like I want to hear that argument fleshed out because that is the single biggest reason I refuse to vote the dude

I don't understand what this question is asking

[Prism]

like claiming that we learn more from a hectic flip than taylor flip, seeing me justify why the opposite is true, then going "well here's why i think taylor is town" is completely shifting the subject