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[NorwegianboyEE]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

I'd only consider anything you say if you'd stop it with the laughing emojis.

[Battle Mage]

BM/saude doesn’t ping that much but I get his reads are pretty against the consensus which is townie - trying to inject his reads into the game early

@BM elaborate on hectic/jester a bit will you?

i cant even remember, im pretty sure i thought the original slot was scummy, and hectic just repped into it. but hectic's interaction with me since i joined hasn't filled me with benevolent townie joy.

I expect to struggle to get any traction on anything here, so rather than focus on my lesser scumreads, I'd rather devote 100% attention to eliminating 1 scum today (duppin) and then we can revisit others tomorrow.

buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)

cause Taylor is claimed rolestopper and because of [redacted]

shelly may get flipped day 1 a lot, but she is smart.

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

like

ehhhhh I don’t think it gets us closer to solving the game in any way and I think BM is townlean
I’l take a look at mundivore, I like that wagon
joyed is also probscum

if you're leaning town on me can you sheep me onto somebody I am 95% sure is scum?

[Battle Mage]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?

I'd only consider anything you say if you'd stop it with the laughing emojis.

Talk to Hectic, he insisted I use them.

Town, in all respects, get your proverbial together.

[Battle Mage]

scum lean is what I feel

scum....lean??

it sounds more like lockscum given you want to elim me no matter what!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, sell us on it.
Why Duppin scum?

[Battle Mage]

can you elaborate
just because his reads aren’t vibing with yours
and because they meme claimed VT

doesn’t mean they’re scum

meme claimed? i had a reason for my claim. In this game...I suspect it'll be hard work even explaining that.

*teaching moment*
noraa there’s no need to SR everyone that doesn’t vibe with your reads and makes hot takes (that’s slightly town!AI tbh), mafia is a team game and town cohesion is important, sometimes you’re wrong and someone else is right

true dat.

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

I mean
not everyone has to spell their thoughts out and not explaining yourself is pretty much NAI from my experiences
I know exactly why they TR you and town reading a claimed jailer is fine?
Norway may not be town, I feel like their SR on hectic and unafraidness to go against the grain reads light green

well I am definitely not afraid, that's for sure. except of Morning Tweet judging me if I somehow got limed Day 1

[Battle Mage]

i tried to case duppin, but too many scummy posts to count. like, read his bloody ISO for goodness sake. If you can't see

duppin is obvscum

, no amount of coaching from me is gonna help you like every post oozes it.

i'll be honest scumtells and a couple other randoms

i believe he said he was from another site but yes i think it is fairly obvious it is an alt and most likely someone from MS, but i dont think that is a reason for me to be more open to the idea of selfvoting

to be honest

I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit

that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

hm

I am going to be honest

Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure them

your progression on me is really difficult to follow

to be honest

, but i will bite. Why do you think my ISO looks bad?

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second time

to be honest

.

oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird play

to be honest

honestly i would

still like to hear from mundivore and plus before hammering

tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?

yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? gross

i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so

LAMIST

by the way

i genuinely think

the spam in this game has been a bit too much but perhaps thats just me, but keep in mind this is with 1 player being vl/a, 1 replacement and 1 slot still waiting to be replaced

I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I do

actually

believe he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Saduade

oh thats tempting actually

[Battle Mage]

No its stupid. Taylor fucking claimed. Why is she even in his reads?
He gave no reason to TR me. ZERO.

LOL

do you not read people once they claimed?

if so, how you scumread me?

i've never played a mafia game with anybody quite like you. it's certainly an experience.

[Battle Mage]

We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right

dude, you ain't elimming me, this is just funny

as a tip, you have no case to lean on here. you attack me for doing things which comply with the consensus (i.e. townreading taylor after her claim), and you attack me for doing things which go against the consensus (i.e. scumreading Hectic/Norweg). You hate it when I vote for the top suspects, you hate it when I vote for people who are not the top suspects. There's no logical basis for your case, you've just pointed out everything I've done and screamed "OMGZ that's SO scummy", at the expense of any consistency on your part.

[Battle Mage]

we’re in real danger for a no lim though, I think noraa is just a town that had a bad read because of the effort to get a lim in

at this point I can place my vote anywhere reasonable to get something through

I agree. It's a concern that I can only see eye-to-eye with Shelly-scum. Although maybe I'm wrong and you're town, which would be very good news.

No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Please don't comment on ongoing games.

[Battle Mage]

also noraa, have you ever considered toning down the profanity?

[Battle Mage]

Place your vote on Saudade

out of respect for Saudade, I'd say stop referring to him as a player in the game. He isn't. You can refer to his "slot" though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Duppin saying "to be honest" is a scumtell?

[Battle Mage]

He already gave u a readlist and it was hot garbage with zero reasons to justify anything. Unlike plus, he is not plusy or LHF. His dang game age is older than anyone here. He can do better. And now I think that slots scum.

I

think

hope there are people in this game older than 13...

Although I'm not sure why that matters.

Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.

Also, be nice - I'm a new replacement, a little welcome wouldn't go amiss!?

[Battle Mage]

Duppin saying "to be honest" is a scumtell?

yep, with that frequency for sure. I can let a couple slide, but he's doing it post after post in one guise or another.

[Battle Mage]

No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

can we not delve into that territory please

I want to her a full readslist from the BM slot before I reconsider anything

I've done what I'm doing today I think. We've got 2 days. I'm expecting some half-assed wagon on me, followed by panic as everyone wonders wtf to do, and probable no-elim, or some random compromise driven by scum. Me making loads of cases isn't gonna add value. All I can really do is try and push for a duppin-elim.

2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim

noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct

i'm definitely not LHF lol.

2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim

noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct

No. absolutely not.

Do you ever second guess yourself?

Reads need to be justified. We are not in rvs any longer. Two prs have outed. Town is already at a disadvantage and ur just gonna let some scum stroll in and drop some messy reads to confuse town more?

My reads weren't messy. I just repped into a 90+ page game, I gave some prompt and probably accurate reads. There was nothing confusing about it. I have justified my reads better than you have, and you've been here the entire duration of the game. I'm trying hard to resist the urge to coach you here, I will simply say you're wrong, and you should re-think. Although I'm certain you won't.

But feel free to surprise me.

[Battle Mage]

2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't

this is correct.

can you understand that LHF = low hanging fruit = elimination bait = a player that is generally miselimable as town
experience doesn’t not make you Sherlock Holmes

like the case on BM is “he doesn’t explain his reads” explaining reads is NAI?
noraaaaaaaaa why do you think not explaining is scum!AI. why do you think the reads actually come from scum? just because they are basically not vibing with yours doesn’t mean they come from scum

Statistically speaking, I very rarely get day-elimmed as either alignment. I'm the opposite of LHF I guess. This game is slightly different as there are players who I think harbour little grudges against me from other games, which is a shame. But at the end of the day, I can only play to my wincon and hope the town majority can join me.

None of that is to say I'm a great scumhunter. But I obvtown ALOT. Noraa's scumdar is just way off unfortunately.

[Battle Mage]

what I wouldn't give to have Morning Tweet as an actual player in this game. I hope there's some post-game debrief or something

[Battle Mage]

noraaaaaaaa whats your read on me then?
my gut literally screams town on BM
do you think scum goes against the consensus on multiple slots upon entrance they can just park on someone like norway

yeah and not to labour the point but, that's especially the case when repping into a slot which has lurker-heat. if you're town shelly, you're good town. I respect that.

2 a's is enough

u can just go back to the SR group since I'm salty rn

ah, so THIS is what we are dealing with....

[Battle Mage]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

well put

I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?

flippin 'eck

this is how you talk to your friends!?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So i did you a favour and checked out one of his scumgames vs towngames and the frequency of the word usage "honestly" - "to be honest" "honest"
So in one of his scumgames (open 644) the count was: 26
In two of his towngames. (Open 708 and Mini 1789) the count was: 13 and 10 respectively.
Open 644 was a rather long game where he endgamed as scum while 708 and mini 1789 he died somwhat early as town.
Just from this is can conclude that his usage of "honest" really isn't scum indicative.
Why do you consider this a scum tell anyway BM? Is that all you're basing the read of Duppin on?

[Battle Mage]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scum

number 2 made me groan....

1. is fair, although that doesn't explain why he chose to claim THEN. It's a surprising argument for you to make, given you were previously lamenting the fact 2 town PRs had outted. Yet you defend Norweg's claim even though he didn't really need to make it then.

Eh, I don't feel strongly about any of it, but I think your points here are pretty weak.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Battle Mage, i don't really think you obvtown a lot. You just talk a bunch of shit, as either alignment.

Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.

This meanwhile just looks like you're blatantly attempting to pocket Noraa.

[Battle Mage]

So i did you a favour and checked out one of his scumgames vs towngames and the frequency of the word usage "honestly" - "to be honest" "honest"
So in one of his scumgames (open 644) the count was: 26
In two of his towngames. (Open 708 and Mini 1789) the count was: 13 and 10 respectively.
Open 644 was a rather long game where he endgamed as scum while 708 and mini 1789 he died somwhat early as town.
Just from this is can conclude that his usage of "honest" really isn't scum indicative.
Why do you consider this a scum tell anyway BM? Is that all you're basing the read of Duppin on?

that's not really doing me a favour as I'm still flipping him. i've flipped scum with it a bunch of times, so it's fairly reliable. and no, that's just 1 example i bothered to illustrate.

I'm still hoping everyone will just sheep me!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just showed you he uses the word "honestly" regardless of alignment, it's just a word he likes to use.
That tell clearly isn't appropriate to use when reading him.