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[Battle Mage]

One of the key skills in Mafia, is to look at every decision and choice and consider for yourself objectively:

What would scum do here?

What would town do here?

Generally speaking, if you can't distinguish between the two, you don't have much of a scumtell.

And it's important to always be open minded to town proving your suspicions wrong.


(not directed at davesaz, just my random thoughts)

[Battle Mage]

oh what a pagetop! lol

[davesaz]

I am hereby claiming a confirmable town power role. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

Why is this a +town thing to do?

heh, cause I was just gonna get day-elimmed otherwise...

With one or two votes on you at that point and a couple days to go?

[davesaz]

oh what a pagetop! lol

I could have been like a zoomer and posted again right away, but decided not to. You're welcome for the setup.

[Battle Mage]

BM claimed vt then a pr
wtf

Wonder if anyone else noticed this...

i'm certain everyone did, including me! What's your point though?

I think you misunderstood my post.

I wonder how many people other than Noraa and myself noticed that you claimed VT and then a mysterious confirmable PR. Not how many people noticed Noraa's post.

I'll take this chance to say that the rest of my catchup has been like reading chaos, and the only real result has been a slight headache from trying to follow it all.

I mean, it wasn't a secret if that's what you mean? I openly claimed VT when I joined the game, and when I need to claim my actual role (or some of it anyway), I did so very openly.

Which is why I asked "what's your point?" because it sounded like you were insinuating I did so under the radar, and I think that would be a surprising conclusion to have drawn.

[Battle Mage]

I am hereby claiming a confirmable town power role. I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

Why is this a +town thing to do?

heh, cause I was just gonna get day-elimmed otherwise...

With one or two votes on you at that point and a couple days to go?

did you see what I said when i did it? I looked at Noraa. I looked at Norweg. I figured I was screwed.

And in fairness, given it's the weekend, I wasn't expecting so much posting to follow after that. In hindsight maybe I jumped the gun too early...hard to say.

I think on balance, given how much this town has struggled to reach consensus, helping to clear me out of the pool asap was probably the right thing to do.

[Battle Mage]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

[Noraa]

Honestly, that's just honestly so annoying.
Honestly.

shhh norwee ur gonna get SRed for saying the terrible terrible h word *GASP*

its stupid that the word "honestly" is a scumtell in BM's lil reads book.

is this you being nice? Morning Tweet will be unimpressed.

the "honestly" thing...I mean, it has resulted in numerous scumflips. Despite all your supposed tells and diligent scumhunting, you haven't pinpointed scum once? I'd maybe cut you a bit of slack if bugs flips scum, but you backed down on that one rather easily.

As a courtesy, maybe before you keep knocking my scumhunting, try and actually make an effort to find scum in this game.

I think you are the scum. And all the provable prs r somewhat not important ones anyways. You made it seem like ur important however only things like fruit vendor and fn are provable

[Noraa]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

wdym? u claimed vt when u had zero votes and then mysterious importante pr when u had like 2

[davesaz]

Actually I don't know if that's the correct usage of zoomer. Us boomers have a hard time with the lingo sometimes.

Pedit: no I'm insinuating that a bunch of people didn't notice it, which casts them in a slightly darker light. Not quite shade mind you because I'd hate to be accused of something heinous as that.

Pedit2: Eh, if you're town then shark repellent could be a good idea I guess.

[Battle Mage]

I really don't want to launch bugspray, I think they're solid town. You'd understand if you had my knowledge or looked at their other games, Noraa. BM... is a little more complicated, I'm getting the feeling he's town so far since the wording case on duppin, and getting into these kind of fights is kinda town-indicative for him, so still don't want to launch there, but it'd be a lot more preferable over bugspray.

Why did you drop your reasons to suspect Redados? He scumread both of you/shelly, was questioned on these repeatedly and could not provide reasons, and now has admitted that he's cooled off on both of you when questioned about it more.

@BM:

Why'd you give up on pursuing duppin?

bc Redados basically admitted that it was all just him getting a lil upset about everything and that just disqualifies it as a read. I think its understandable considering I did tunnel the heck out of him that he was a bit upset. So far that's the only scummy thing he's done and I no longer wish to cling onto that and go back to tunneling. Redados is a town lean for me and I do not support that wagon.

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erm would now be a good time to say I'm also a lil upset with your tunnelling the heck out of me? I have feelings too dude.

[Noraa]

Redados has made reads emotionally. u haven't. so u don't get the same treatment. plus I'm still very very convinced u are scum

[Battle Mage]

Honestly, that's just honestly so annoying.
Honestly.

shhh norwee ur gonna get SRed for saying the terrible terrible h word *GASP*

its stupid that the word "honestly" is a scumtell in BM's lil reads book.

is this you being nice? Morning Tweet will be unimpressed.

the "honestly" thing...I mean, it has resulted in numerous scumflips. Despite all your supposed tells and diligent scumhunting, you haven't pinpointed scum once? I'd maybe cut you a bit of slack if bugs flips scum, but you backed down on that one rather easily.

As a courtesy, maybe before you keep knocking my scumhunting, try and actually make an effort to find scum in this game.

I think you are the scum. And all the provable prs r somewhat not important ones anyways. You made it seem like ur important however only things like fruit vendor and fn are provable

less important than a role which randomly knows there's a mafia doctor? maaaaaaaaaaaaan

[Battle Mage]

Redados has made reads emotionally. u haven't. so u don't get the same treatment. plus I'm still very very convinced u are scum

i have no idea why

[duppin]

alright so i have some time before going to bed, not a fan of the hostility and i apologise if i contributed to that.

anyway i like the fire from noora actually, still have no idea how to read her but it feels rather townie to me.
however hectic actually pointed something out regarding bm that i think is rather town, now i dont really know much about bms scumgame but the whole "honestly" read he pushed, would a scum really notice something like that? i cant help but feel this is more likely to be something a town would pick up on. I still think its a useless read and he has just claimed again he has caught people with it before so id honestly still like to see this because i just have a really hard time seeing it. But yeah if anyone is more familiar with bms scumplay and knows if thats normal for him to point out then id like to hear it. if not i think its more likely to be a town tell

[Noraa]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

[duppin]

out of curiousity though bm why did you claim VT initially? there were no votes on you or anything

[Noraa]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

u = bm

[Battle Mage]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

wdym? u claimed vt when u had zero votes and then mysterious importante pr when u had like 2

yeah but you guys are LOUD and this town doesn't have much of a backbone (hence, page 110 or whatever on Day 1). I've seen much more level-headed groups make bad decisions in this spot.

[Noraa]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

wdym? u claimed vt when u had zero votes and then mysterious importante pr when u had like 2

yeah but you guys are LOUD and this town doesn't have much of a backbone (hence, page 110 or whatever on Day 1). I've seen much more level-headed groups make bad decisions in this spot.

u had seen two people talk basically and u claimed some mysterious pr. Changing ur claim from vt to pr is already sus as hell. Claiming before E-1 is also sus as hell. Don't u agree?

[Battle Mage]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

Please do, hopefully the Mod can talk you round - I have tried!

I don't mind you SRing me, I just wish you'd look at other ppl, so you could actually add value, as I do think you're town. Like, you know I'm not getting elimmed today, so who ELSE do you want to get rid of?

[Battle Mage]

I mean mate, I'm almost certain I'd be dead already if I hadn't claimed (no case, mind!). You can thank me for you getting to catch up today at all

wdym? u claimed vt when u had zero votes and then mysterious importante pr when u had like 2

yeah but you guys are LOUD and this town doesn't have much of a backbone (hence, page 110 or whatever on Day 1). I've seen much more level-headed groups make bad decisions in this spot.

u had seen two people talk basically and u claimed some mysterious pr. Changing ur claim from vt to pr is already sus as hell. Claiming before E-1 is also sus as hell. Don't u agree?

I don't fully agree, no. I think you can argue changing the claim is sus - although ppl in this game love meta, and those who've played with me before will tell you I'm a bit of a renegade. Claiming before E-1 isn't sus at all. The key criteria is - why would claiming early benefit scum-BM more than town-BM?

Answer is, it probably benefits town-BM slightly more, because town-BM is more keen not to no-elim, and therefore moving quickly is better.

[Noraa]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

Please do, hopefully the Mod can talk you round - I have tried!

I don't mind you SRing me, I just wish you'd look at other ppl, so you could actually add value, as I do think you're town. Like, you know I'm not getting elimmed today, so who ELSE do you want to get rid of?

I've looked at everyone else. We are nearing deadline and as I've said, I'm only willing to lim in {BM, bugs}

[Battle Mage]

alright so i have some time before going to bed, not a fan of the hostility and i apologise if i contributed to that.

anyway i like the fire from noora actually, still have no idea how to read her but it feels rather townie to me.
however hectic actually pointed something out regarding bm that i think is rather town, now i dont really know much about bms scumgame but the whole "honestly" read he pushed, would a scum really notice something like that? i cant help but feel this is more likely to be something a town would pick up on. I still think its a useless read and he has just claimed again he has caught people with it before so id honestly still like to see this because i just have a really hard time seeing it. But yeah if anyone is more familiar with bms scumplay and knows if thats normal for him to point out then id like to hear it. if not i think its more likely to be a town tell

You wouldn't know it if you listened to noora, but I defo townread her too!

I'm grateful for the support on the "honestly" thing, but I expect I probably have used it as scum before too. A good scumtell is a good scumtell, even when I'm faking it!

[Battle Mage]

If u flip green anytime in this game, I will legit be pming the mod to ask if this was a mod error.
I seriously SR u a ton. I admit, my reads as town r bs generally but this ones strong so I want to stick to it

Please do, hopefully the Mod can talk you round - I have tried!

I don't mind you SRing me, I just wish you'd look at other ppl, so you could actually add value, as I do think you're town. Like, you know I'm not getting elimmed today, so who ELSE do you want to get rid of?

I've looked at everyone else. We are nearing deadline and as I've said, I'm only willing to lim in {BM, bugs}

you wanna no-lim then basically? i thought you already ruled out bugs cause Hectic said so?