Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.004
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	Fun and Games, PenguinPower	EL-5	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, I Keep Siteflaking, Albert B. Rampage	EL-3	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	CreativeMod1	EL-6	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	1	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	Bingle	EL-6	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	Pine, Nosferatu, Ydrasse, beeboy
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: None pagetops: Lilith 9 | penguin 9 | cm1 2 | ABR 1 | gamma 1 | gb 1 | fun & games 1

[SirCakez]

W

IN

C

ONDITIONS

TEST SUBJECTS

(town) win when all

DOCTORS

are dead.

DOCTORS

(mafia) win when any of the following conditions are satisfied:
1) Their number is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

at any point during the Day phase, or
2) The number of activated

LABS

is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

, and the Voice (leader of the

DOCTORS

) is still alive, or
3) The number of activated

LABS

is strictly greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

.

HOW TO ACHIEVE WIN CONDITIONS:

Some combination of the following can be used to achieve win conditions:

• Eliminate players with your vote.
  
• Kill players by attacking them until any stat is reduced to 0.
  
• Activate or Destroy
  LABS
  using Knowledge rolls.

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Gamma's "revelation" was public knowledge, you knobs.

I don't know where the +1 knowledge came from.

This is not a great explanation!

[CreativeMod1]

Kinda sus that cmod didn't target me last night

I was super confused on what you wanted, like lets be real you gave some very mixed feelings about whether or not I should use my powers on you.

Also my ability is an anytime ability. If you want I can do it right now, doesn't have to be the night.

[I Keep Siteflaking]

some people would infer from my behaviour that i obviously don't feel like im in danger of dying

I have to defend cmod here.
I think cmod should use the ability on himself/ his strongest townread to raise speed or on Gamma to raise strength (if I interpret that speed drop correctly).

[Pine]

W

IN

C

ONDITIONS

TEST SUBJECTS

(town) win when all

DOCTORS

are dead.

DOCTORS

(mafia) win when any of the following conditions are satisfied:
1) Their number is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

at any point during the Day phase, or
2) The number of activated

LABS

is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

, and the Voice (leader of the

DOCTORS

) is still alive, or
3) The number of activated

LABS

is strictly greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

.

HOW TO ACHIEVE WIN CONDITIONS:

Some combination of the following can be used to achieve win conditions:

• Eliminate players with your vote.
  
• Kill players by attacking them until any stat is reduced to 0.
  
• Activate or Destroy
  LABS
  using Knowledge rolls.

back to quicklinks

Gamma's "revelation" was public knowledge, you knobs.

I don't know where the +1 knowledge came from.

This is not a great explanation!

Because it wasn't trying to be an explanation? You're all acting like Gamma gave you some sort of insider information about the game mechanics and therefore his word is golden but...all he did was reword some stuff that was already in the rules.

Did you

not

know that activating/destroying labs with Knowledge was a key mechanic? Hell, if I were scum I'd either sabotage the shit out of someone (like Nos) or use a +1 Knowledge to frame someone.

Further, we know from GeorgeBailey's N0 Knowledge boost that there are other methods of increasing that stat aside from the obvious one. It's entirely likely that there's a Town-aligned player with the ability to boost or reduce Knowledge scores too.

[lilith2013]

PenguinPower has been prodded.

beeboy has not responded to his prod and I will begin searching for a replacement for his slot. He may continue playing if he returns before a replacement is found.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: abr, for emphasis

i don't particularly agree with my other head on town!pine

~skitter

[Fun and Games]

Did you not know that activating/destroying labs with Knowledge was a key mechanic? Hell, if I were scum I'd either sabotage the shit out of someone (like Nos) or use a +1 Knowledge to frame someone.

I read this :

TEST SUBJECTS do not know what is required for the DOCTORS to activate a LAB.

And did not think it was obvious - I think the mod changed that post #4 because I don't remember reading it that way the first time I read through the rules.

[CreativeMod1]

Activate or Destroy

LABS

using Knowledge rolls.

Lets not get too confused, I think the post 6 rule is saying that we don't know what number the Doctors need to Activate a lab, all we know is that they need a knowledge roll

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: abr, for emphasis

i don't particularly agree with my other head on town!pine

~skitter

Emphasis on what? You've been voting me all day.

[PenguinPower]

@mod: unanticipated vla. Back Tuesday.

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: abr, for emphasis

i don't particularly agree with my other head on town!pine

~skitter

Emphasis on what? You've been voting me all day.

a) i feel like you could be (significantly) townier
b) you're asking silly questions and saying silly things (you really have no townreads ?)
c) i've been trying to get a reaction out of you

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

@mod: unanticipated vla. Back Tuesday.

also i hope everything is ok

[Fun and Games]

worked out the probability of de-activating a lab with various knowledge statistics:



It's rather unlikely we are able to destroy activated labs without boosting someone to at least five-knowledge.

[Fun and Games]

also knowing what we now know about the scum having a room-blocking ability - I think it is likely that the first lab remained inactivated after N1 because scum used their roomblocker to keep out anyone who may have tried to destroy the lab - if this is true and nobody reported it, that kind of implies nobody tried to destroy the lab? which is kind of funny in some ways.

[SirCakez]

It's not even the knowledge thing pine is just not showing towniness at all

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?

The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

[Gamma Emerald]

W

IN

C

ONDITIONS

TEST SUBJECTS

(town) win when all

DOCTORS

are dead.

DOCTORS

(mafia) win when any of the following conditions are satisfied:
1) Their number is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

at any point during the Day phase, or
2) The number of activated

LABS

is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

, and the Voice (leader of the

DOCTORS

) is still alive, or
3) The number of activated

LABS

is strictly greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

.

HOW TO ACHIEVE WIN CONDITIONS:

Some combination of the following can be used to achieve win conditions:

• Eliminate players with your vote.
  
• Kill players by attacking them until any stat is reduced to 0.
  
• Activate or Destroy
  LABS
  using Knowledge rolls.

back to quicklinks

Gamma's "revelation" was public knowledge, you knobs.

I don't know where the +1 knowledge came from.

Real convenient hearing that from you. But to clarify, my ability allows activation/destruction without losing a speed stat action. I haven’t explicitly confirmed this, but there’s nothing indicating one couldn’t do this as well as using the speed stat actions to activate one.
The thing that implicates you isn’t having elevated knowledge by itself. It’s having it when 2 Labs got activated. That tells me scum managed to meet the number to activate not once, but twice, which makes me think they had raised knowledge. In addition it’s quite possible that the same scum activated both through a speed stat action and the role I have.
In addition, you just generally haven’t done much to solve the game. I understand you’re very commonly not an active player these days, but you’re not contributing even still from what’s been seen so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

How would having a +1 knowledge implicate anyone in itself?

[Ydrasse]

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

...probably unlikely to plan for that exact moment, yeah? it doesn't seem like the setup you want to go for in something like this; it's too specific and there are a myriad of things as we've seen that can impact something like that.

[Ydrasse]

anyways, i think gamma's logic makes sense; especially the reply in 618 which goes more in depth which like. yeah. Yeah!

VOTE: pine

[lilith2013]

JohnnyFarrar replaces beeboy. Thank you!

[JohnnyFarrar]

Oh hey it me

[JohnnyFarrar]

Reading. I'm slow (and this setup seems complicated) so if anybody wants to tell me the important bits now that'll make things easier