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[Frogsterking]

LMFAO U DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE

SHE CLAIMED ON THE POST RIGHT BEFORE U

VOTE: gamma

Why the change here from D2 - D3?

[Frogsterking]

Did tayl0r's death somehow make you less suspicious of RCE?

[Titus]

My FoS is Titus.

I am literally conftown.

Not literally

Yes. Unless you feel there were 4 scum, cfd cleared me by blocking me.

[callforjudgement]

A summary of what's non-public that we know, and why we know it:

• Walter is a Friendly Neighbour, therefore Town. Multiple living players have received his messages, so this is effectively a modconfirmation and impossible to fake.
  
• Titus was blocked from performing the nightkill last night, yet the kill went through anyway. Unless Titus is a Strongman, Roleblocker or Ascetic (all unlikely given other claims), she didn't perform the kill last night. Someone did, so someone other than Titus is scum (meaning that if this is 10:3, Titus is town).
  
• It's been confirmed that someone is roleblocking. I have claimed to be doing the blocking, and nobody has counterclaimed. Thus, if it's 10:3, I must be doing the blocking (in a 9:4 setup I could hypothetically be covering for a buddy, but there would be no reason to do so).
  
• I have claimed Alien (Combined Roleblocker+Rolestopper). I was able to deduce that Walter had targeted Titus before he told me, because I knew my roleblock on Titus would rolestop her as a side effect. This is evidence that I'm an Alien rather than some other type of blocking role, but it isn't completely conclusive because (if I were hypothetically a scum Roleblocker) I could have blocked Walter and then made a lucky guess about who he targeted. Even if I am an Alien, that fact doesn't directly prove my alignment.

[callforjudgement]

(There's also a fairly easy way to test for Titus being Ascetic: toNight, have Walter randomize between targeting Titus and targeting someone else, 50:50 each way. Then have Titus claim first on the subsequent Day. If she isn't Ascetic, she'll be able to tell whether she was targeted or not and will be able to determine whether the other player received Walter's message or not. If she is, she won't be able to tell and will have to guess. Walter's night action is no longer needed to confirm him, so this is probably the best use for it.)

[callforjudgement]

@

Frogsterking

: I don't understand what two points you're trying to compare in #1899. I've looked at the two posts you've quoted and are trying to figure out what they have in common.

Is it the mention of Among Us? It's a Mafia dervative that has received a huge surge in popularity lately, so it isn't surprising that it might end up sucking away the time of a Mafia player or two.

[Nosferatu]

LMFAO U DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE

SHE CLAIMED ON THE POST RIGHT BEFORE U

VOTE: gamma

Why the change here from D2 - D3?

gamma was even scummier

[Nosferatu]

Unless Titus is a Strongman

, Roleblocker or Ascetic

(all unlikely given other claims)

what makes this unlikely?

[callforjudgement]

It'd make my role almost entirely negative utility, up until the point where the Strongman died. So it would mean I would hurt town while town were losing, and help town while town were winning. That's not the sort of role interaction you typically want in a setup.

[Nosferatu]

so what does scum have as compensation for the town prs

just a tracker?

[Titus]

so what does scum have as compensation for the town prs

just a tracker?

I think cfd is actually just scum. The Friendly Neighbors are designed to be innocent children, especially when neighbored with each other. There was likely meant to be some paranoia about the friendly neighbors due to them both having the same role and the PT cop. CFD's role would exist to make one of the Friendly Neighbor claims look fake.

Otherwise, I can't see what purpose an Alien has in the game. There's no vig. A jailkeeper would function almost similarly here.

[Titus]

It's either him or geratim. The VCs don't make sense otherwise.

[callforjudgement]

I'm assuming I'm an Alien, not a Jailkeeper, to make the setup a bit less townsided. There's a chance of randomly rolestopping the Role Cop or a Friendly Neighbour by mistake, thus toning down the power of the other town power roles. A Jailkeeper wouldn't do that.

Going the other way, if I were hypothetically scum, Alien would make the setup somewhat more scumsided, for exactly the same reason.

[Titus]

The point is rather moot anyway as town should not execute you until Elo plus one day.

We should just lynch geratim.

[Frogsterking]

@

Frogsterking

: I don't understand what two points you're trying to compare in #1899. I've looked at the two posts you've quoted and are trying to figure out what they have in common.

Is it the mention of Among Us? It's a Mafia dervative that has received a huge surge in popularity lately, so it isn't surprising that it might end up sucking away the time of a Mafia player or two.

Yes you are correct in your assumption here and I respect your opinion.

I believe it means something that Gamma brought the same thing up later.

I think a scum might out an excuse for their in-game behavior that's similar to one another townie has used rather than their partner who is also under suspicion.

[Frogsterking]

I'm less inclined to lynch Looker today for this reason.

[Frogsterking]

@Nos

@Looker

Do you believe Gamma was the deep scum?

[Frogsterking]

@Nos

@Looker

Do you believe Gamma was the deep scum?

+ Do you think he was intending to die or win lylo?

[Looker]

So, tomorrow morning, I'm going to go through and re-evaluate possibilities with our confirmed town. Right now I can't remember which of you are in this game and which are in the other, but I'll prioritize this one more.

[Looker]

UNVOTE:

[Frogsterking]

ItalianoVD
callforjudgement

Gamma Emerald
BananaCucho
SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking

Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros

WaltertheDunce10

also
VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me

Anyone come to a similar conclusion about callforjudgment in 1275? Or am I off in this?

That’s not really part of my read on him at all

My heart and my gut say to townread cfj, but my head is telling me the few bits of potentially scummy behavior from him are worth pursuing
So I’d vote him around deadline but I’d rather listen to my gut vs. my head

Why would a townie even need to know Italiano's schedule? Either he's confirmed or he isn't (in this case, he's confirmed). So at this point, any further Friendly Neighbour actions he has are effectively Fruit Vendor actions (i.e. they're visible to the recipient but no additional information is gained); and seeing as he's confirmed, he can use them as he likes.

Knowing Italiano's schedule would only be useful to eliminate possibilities in which Italiano were scum, but those possibilities have been eliminated anyway.

I was mostly trying to get a sense of whether my thoughts were on track without asking the person I felt would have had the least motive to tell the truth (Walter, if he was scum).

I recall SRing Walter d1 but d2 he wasn't really a focal point for me at all

I've already claimed tracker, maybe trying reading the actual game instead of hopping immediately to VCA? I know you did this same thing of in Arbiter's Takeover so this doesn't look good on you.
I'm scumleaning walter, not sure on geraint, cfj I am thinking is scum rn

Walter is scum via setup spec, call is scum because I don't like how he's reacted to my questioning. Geraint I mostly have lost my handle on, I had a read on him earlier but don't feel as strongly about it now and have lost focus on that reasoning

And that doesn't change the fact this is the exact play you had in AT, and RCE wasn't exactly a towny slot to start with. You should be able to read at least a few things, rather than just being a total stick in the mud and forcing everyone else to walk you through the game. There's inherent scum advantage to that as well, as it let's you figure out the gamestate without having to put your mindset out there while doing so. In fact:
VOTE: Titus
This doesn't move until there's a good reason to vote someone else or you read at least enough of today to figure out what's going on.

Gamma acts more confused around reads on certain players and I believe those players are town.

[Frogsterking]

Confused and conflicted I should say.

[Frogsterking]

A final question I have for everyone: Do you believe Gamma was really on tilt when he died?

[Frogsterking]

I'll wait for everyone to respond to my recent series of questions before outting my new FoS in ~24 hours

[WaltertheDunce10]

A final question I have for everyone: Do you believe Gamma was really on tilt when he died?

Possibly prob had realized outing as tracker was not the right move.