Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[Nosferatu]

worked out the probability of de-activating a lab with various knowledge statistics:



It's rather unlikely we are able to destroy activated labs without boosting someone to at least five-knowledge.

i require less knowledge to do this, so yall should be trying to boost my knowledge up, especially since i can't be attacked, only operated on

link to VC on this page

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.007
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	Nosferatu	EL-6	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	Fun and Games, PenguinPower	EL-5	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Albert B. Rampage, Ydrasse, JohnnyFarrar	EL-2	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	CreativeMod1	EL-6	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	1	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
JohnnyFarrar	Bingle	EL-6	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	Pine, I Keep Siteflaking
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: noooo my pagetop PenguinPower V/LA until Oct 6 pagetops: Lilith 10 | penguin 9 | cm1 2 | ABR 1 | gamma 1 | gb 1 | fun & games 1 | johnnyf 1 | nosferatu 1

[Fun and Games]

a) i feel like you could be (significantly) townier
b) you're asking silly questions and saying silly things (you really have no townreads ?)
c) i've been trying to get a reaction out of you

~ skitter

@abr

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: johnny

[JohnnyFarrar]

Aw yeah wassup

[JohnnyFarrar]

Oh did you vote and leave? Boring.

[CreativeMod1]

I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

[CreativeMod1]

Also, looking through Day 1 and I notice that George Bailey also had 4 knowledge and I think to myself....why oh why did we eliminate someone who has a higher knowledge and then I realised
We're all being stupid, scum can't just outright kill players but they can eliminate them during the day.
Who is the biggest threat to scum atm??? Players with highest knowledge!!!

So I'm gonna go back through Day 1 and see who pushed for that George elimination because I think there's probably some scum hiding there

[JohnnyFarrar]

@lili does operating take an action from one of the doctors? Or is it bonus like the faction attack

[CreativeMod1]

Also also, why did we eliminate someone whose ability is based around not being able to vote until the Hammer??? That seems like a terrible scum ability

[JohnnyFarrar]

Idk bruh y'all made some mistakes before I got here

[Gamma Emerald]

All this mechanic talk is why I used to only play open games I still haven't read this setup.

VOTE: pine because he's scum but I have a few things I wanna discuss

Hydra seems quiet today, internal strife?

Albert B. makes me nervous. More of a feeling.

I would vote Cmod if setup didn't point to cmod town.

Tempted to stake my life on ydrasse town

link to VC on this page

Hydra = F&G right? ABR does seem a bit sus but in a towny way rn. I might be a bit slow here but how does setup make Cmod town again? Agreed about Ydrasse prolly being town

Bit curious how you went from having synthesized very information to this. Not saying it's not possible but there's not much evidence you managed to get to this point.

@MOD personal PTs are transferred whenever a player is replaced right?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok the timestamps between posts check out at least, there was an hour gap

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?

The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?

I was told I was attacked by scum, it said a doctor attacked me and I took damage
Did you not see that I lost speed? And I also don't like the loaded question aspect of this, lightly implying I'm not "a townie"

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeah fun and games. They were on the Bailey wagon but I liked their vote so

As cmod has so kindly pointed out, we can point to about 5 things scum did last night, and he can prove he didn't do any of those with these items

I do have a pt with beebs name crossed out

Thoughts on pine, gamma?

[Gamma Emerald]

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.

I want to examine this question more closely. Where did scum use their knowledge modifier N2? How do you know if Gamma really visited the library, rather than giving himself the +1 knowledge right before activating a lab?

Who the fuck said scum have a +1 knowledge modifier?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think the theory is they operate on themselves

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah fun and games. They were on the Bailey wagon but I liked their vote so

As cmod has so kindly pointed out, we can point to about 5 things scum did last night, and he can prove he didn't do any of those with these items

I do have a pt with beebs name crossed out

Thoughts on pine, gamma?

I was the one who first brought forth the mechanical argument against pine, and I also think he's not really made any effort that would be indicative of his towngame. He is actually quite strong as town sometimes, and I'm seeing none of it. This even accounts for not being active, as even in games where he's less active he still makes those efforts
So yeah, I'm scumreading Pine if that wasn't clear

[Gamma Emerald]

I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not.

Why didn't Gamma attempt to destroy the lab?

maybe because I wanted to raise my knowledge?
Stop throwing weak ass shade, bro.

[Gamma Emerald]

Urm, I'm not the best at scum reads tbh but something doesn't sit right with me about bingle
I understand the mechanical scum read on pine but won't hammer until we've heard more from Pine

Also Pine, can you make sure you send out any items you have to your biggest town read before you die please

can't you only hand your items out at night? That's what I got from the rules regarding that

[Gamma Emerald]

and btw, dw about restoring my speed to 3, I still would just have 1 action a night

[Gamma Emerald]

I at least think nos can be softcleared based on his posting on the previous page

[JohnnyFarrar]

1) Give any of your Items to another player by PMing me or posting the following in your personal PT: Give [Item Name] to [Recipient Name]. During the Dawn and Day phases, this is effective immediately and cannot be retracted. Items that are given during the Night phase are resolved at the end of the Night phase, so can be retracted until the resolution of Night actions occurs.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm not normally a rules guy but I literally just read it

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

roomblock was probably factional, but things are lining up to where it seems my theory about what they did to activate 2 labs is being supported
btw I think upon a Pine scumflip we need to light a fire under ABR and Cakez for both shading me
PEdit: ah thanks