Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

How is it not that high.

11 players left.

Fmpov at least, bulge and I are conf town.

I want to treat Morph and Bell as town because I read them that way, and I feel for good reason. There’s small chance of one of them being scum, if both of them are scum, that’s insane, and I’d be happy postgame that they pulled it off like that.

Maid is also like 100% town to me.

So that’s 5 slots of the 11 down.

6 people left, 3 of them are part of the scum team.

At the most basic level, it is exactly 50/50 for me.

[April Ludgate]

yeah i think i'll hop on this actually
UNVOTE: st
VOTE: 420

From one partner to the less useful partner.

[April Ludgate]

Midwaybear, ST, 420, Plus, Remelia, Zmuffin

I don’t think Plus and Remelia are scum together, so that raises 420 even higher, tbh.

[Bell]

How is it not that high.

11 players left.

Fmpov at least, bulge and I are conf town.

I want to treat Morph and Bell as town because I read them that way, and I feel for good reason. There’s small chance of one of them being scum, if both of them are scum, that’s insane, and I’d be happy postgame that they pulled it off like that.

Maid is also like 100% town to me.

So that’s 5 slots of the 11 down.

6 people left, 3 of them are part of the scum team.

At the most basic level, it is exactly 50/50 for me.

Good post.

[April Ludgate]

You town read midwaybear, and i can see it, and i trust you.

Zmuffin I’m gutreading as town for some reason, so if i trust that, the team is ST, 420, and one of Plus, Remelia.

Lawyered.

[zMuffinMan]

yeah no

rushing to end the day before ample time is given for asploding to happen is dumb

if asplosion no happen, im treating it like a fake claim probably

[April Ludgate]

Morph, Alisae, Bell helped me realize 420 is probably scum, and you guys did that very well. I think Alisae was a good fade because it got to this point for us in the game and really helped open things up.

Remelia put the momentum swinging vote on Alisae, which yes, i understand it can be townie, but i think it’s worth noting that it happened, even if i think Remelia is more likely town than Plus.

And while it sucks Alisae got faded, somebody has to be the first fade, it just is what it is. Alisae gave a lot of actions but e wasn’t even invested in the game heavily, and e was a claimed VT. I think if we’re going to be wrong, that’s the best type of being wrong we can ask for, and it is okay to be wrong, especially early game. We just gotta use it to end up in the right solve.

For Alisae.

[April Ludgate]

yeah no

rushing to end the day before ample time is given for asploding to happen is dumb

if asplosion no happen, im treating it like a fake claim probably

We can wait the 48 hours, but like I said, I feel like it blows up at the end of the day, and that they’ve already chosen.

I feel like they said stuff, but I guess I was just reading all the subtext closer, or people are actively trying to manipulate what they think is happening.

I feel ST and Zmuffin have some strong scum associative, so I guess I can see a ST, Zmuffin, 420 world, which is a world without 420/Plus.

[zMuffinMan]

they literally said that's not how it works when they said they'd do it first thing

[April Ludgate]

I think the confusion of S_S here of wanting to make a right choice comes from town.
The scum agenda here is typically to just sit on some random 3rd read when you are facing down 2 town wagons.

Basically you see 2 town flips then go "hey guys look told you I was right all along".
His angle in particular just feels like it comes from town, unless Alisae is just scum here but I think there reaction to the constant pressure is kind of towny? Me and Claire had a conversation on this that she wanted me to use a really fine meta read on them but my thing is I am not that familiar with Alisae reacting in this particular way to being wagoned, I am used to either trolling or frustration and getting neither kills my sample size. Maybe 2 years ago I would have had a good read in this spot but my memory on these more outlier cases is rought.

Midwaybear is just playing like town right now and I'd fight tooth and nail to defend him

This shows that I wasn’t alone in thinking Alisae was off and not in his town meta, and I thought that was a possibility, but the day needed to end. Maria had good reads this game.

Maybe Remelia is just scum. Remelia trying to get Plus to white Knight Alisae is a possibility.

@Remelia - do you still scum read Plus?

[April Ludgate]

they literally said that's not how it works when they said they'd do it first thing

Then you’re TMI’ng and scum silences Maid because they were right with their reads, like on Remelia and 420.

Holy hot damn.

Zmuffin, Remelia, 420?

[Tammy]

I realized a little while ago that this game day is 18 calendar days long.

And died a little.

Pup demands a walk. Then I'll do some rereading.

I’m apparently incompetent at reading a calendar.

Deadline is next Friday, the 16th.

I’m about to pass out, but I will fix that tomorrow.

[April Ludgate]

@Bell - I’m getting close. I’ll probably end up going through every combination of those 6, so hopefully you can talk me through a good amount. How positive are you with Midwaybear. You, SS, and Maria all seemed to like him. Morph did too for a while.

[zMuffinMan]

what is the point of silencing a bomb that said they're gonna asplode first thing rofl

do you even think before you write?

[April Ludgate]

Spoiler:

Eliminating town or self resolving slots also feels kind of shitty.
I don't really have the balls to vote the Remi slot then leave it to Maria to justify if I need to dip again since it's largly a gut read if we ignore my main point which is basically just. If I had nothing better to do I would vote a "self resolving" slot that isn't doing anything. But on the other hand I sort of expect Remi to have something better to do. Idk boping rusty players may not be the best idea though.

I wouldn't mind talking about other options if you have something on your mind.

kind of silly to say no one has any concrete cases but then also acknowledge that you haven't formed scum reads either

in what way do you confirm yourselves d2+? (and yes, before anyone points out the obvious, i am rolefishing here, but since you outed that yourself, i want something more... concrete)

I am not that familiar with Alisae reacting in this particular way to being wagoned, I am used to either trolling or frustration and getting neither kills my sample size

you didn't see frustration? or uh, what do you call alisae's reaction then?

mmm I was under the impression that Maria already claimed that. We were talking about our role while playing league around the time I replaced in.

I am not against claiming more information, I as a solo slot would have just treated myself as being L-1 and claimed since I also want to pull pressure off Alisae right now.
If Maria does not contact me in the next 24 hours I willl, otherwise I don't think I should be sharing that kind of info as this slot is shared.

i just want to know if this is something dumb like "we have a role that scum would never ever ever have (except games where they have had it)" or if this is actual mod confirmation sort of thing

also is there a reason you guys haven't talked about april literally claiming the exact same thing?

or you guys just didn't find it weird that another person is claiming they can confirm themselves d3?

Hmm. Zmuffin was going after Maria who was going after Remelia here without pushing them as scum. This looks like hatcheting.

[Bell]

With muffin on this one.

[April Ludgate]

With muffin on this one.

I was just shading to see if Zmuffin would hang on the bait because the other stuff is coming out.

[Bell]

Yes I assumed your sudden rush was bullshit, because you already showed that with morph.
Sadly i’m Not scum this game or else I would have used it to be comfortably town read.

Instead i’ll Be comfortably town read anyway.

[April Ludgate]

So the way it works is we target someone at night.
And during the day we have the choice to kill them or not.

I'll ask the mod if the target dying stops us from bombing or not but then we'd just suicide on ourself. Would be pretty lame.

@Bell - what if the silencer is a roleblock as well.

Because it’s pretty clear Maria likely targeted someone last night.

[April Ludgate]

However, I do think Zmuffin, Remelia, 420 should be considered high up on the likely list.

Remember, Zmuffin stated they thought my reads were poor when I said midway, Zmuffin, and ST.

Okay, so I just replaced 2 of them. And based on the clears and the town reads of Bell and Morph, I feel Zmuffin has high high scum equity after looking back at Maid interactions, and after looking into other reads like ST and Plus.

[Bell]

So the way it works is we target someone at night.
And during the day we have the choice to kill them or not.

I'll ask the mod if the target dying stops us from bombing or not but then we'd just suicide on ourself. Would be pretty lame.

@Bell - what if the silencer is a roleblock as well.

Because it’s pretty clear Maria likely targeted someone last night.

I have no idea what the difference is but i’d Prefer just waiting for them to blow up or not blow up and then eliminating a scum read.

[zMuffinMan]

if the silencer is a roleblock, it's a broken role

and they'd have to keep using it on mariaboy regardless of anything else happening in the game or all it did was delay the inevitable a day

i sincerely doubt a role like that exists or that they would use it in mariaboy

less likely than that still is them both blocking and silencing with two separate roles

ergo the odds of that being a scum role on town-mariaboy are incredibly low

[April Ludgate]

Muffin did you just say that trying not to live is slightly townish?

no

stuff like what 420 was doing when he came into the game is the opposite of survivalist though

it shows a lack of concern for getting town reads

i think that's more commonly a town trait than a scum trait

with the disclaimer that this is an obvious 'troll alt' so he

probably

planned to play like this regardless of alignment. maybe

420-Zmuffin

[April Ludgate]

So the way it works is we target someone at night.
And during the day we have the choice to kill them or not.

I'll ask the mod if the target dying stops us from bombing or not but then we'd just suicide on ourself. Would be pretty lame.

@Bell - what if the silencer is a roleblock as well.

Because it’s pretty clear Maria likely targeted someone last night.

I have no idea what the difference is but i’d Prefer just waiting for them to blow up or not blow up and then eliminating a scum read.

I don’t get what you’re saying really. That is what we’re waiting for?

You seem to want to find scum, and I’m bringing up all the possibilities of where the scum team is if you town read me. I can’t have been wrong 100% of the time this game, it’s just impossible. I’ve gone down every road. One of my roads were closer to the correct solve. Which do you think it is?

[April Ludgate]

Zmuffin
Remelia
420
ST
Plus

Which 3 of these 5 are scum?