Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not sad, I'm just jaded. Or maybe I'm trying to cope with the fact that we have to FIGHT you to win this game :[

You know in your heart that I'm town and it must kill you to do this to me so I'm so grateful to you - it's really beautiful thanks.

[Hectic]

<3 I can now rest with a blissful heart

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sweet dreams <3

[Krazy]

Yes, that's right. The Tanner case was infact a link to a Chara avatar. Still don't know how Krazy got away with that.

Hectic town lol

I don't think scum hectic can make me laugh this much

[Krazy]

i feel so monumentally useless it's kind of amazing.
and yet somehow still very confident in Tweet being town. hubris?

I remember thinking eod made you likely town but this is more a note to explain that thought tomorrow when I'm sober than anything else

[Krazy]

Tanner is probably my fight still

[Tanner]

Krazy is probably town because he's exceptionally adept with mechanics.

krazy butchered this game's mechanics at least once, though (2779)

i have a moonlogic tinfoil on why pushing for spares d1 is actually slightly +town for pooky but it's nothing but wifom so meh.

@pooky, can you run a few things by me:
- if you thought i was a regwolf in 2334, why did you never vote for me at any point?
- what was the thought behind 2692?
- just the tl;drs on every line in the table in 2891?

ok i'll pretend to be useful more later

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2334 2342/2343 was to try to get you to town-tell because I know you are amazing at town-telling

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2692 is because of:


"uuuuuughghghghhhhhh why is this game like this"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I honestly don't quite remember all the thoughts that went into 2891 - I probably should've written them down in notes but I'm not very organized so I'll try to reconstitute my thoughts.

[Morning Tweet]

puppy felt more excited about pushing tayl0r/Hectic than he was about voting Krazy.

He didn't even actually vote for tayl0r/Hectic, but he did vote for Krazy. I wonder if his votes were just calculated like that. He didn't seem to be very pleased voting Krazy but he did -- and yet, he had tayl0r/Hectic as his top suspects and never really bothered voting either.

Also Puppy pretty seriously tried to pivot off of Elements onto Hectic D1. Now, why would he want to do that over just staying on his other partner Elements? If he wanted a bus, he already had one. Why cut Hectic off? Distance from both partners at once I guess? Dunno

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The ideal scenario for the scum to exit D1 with in a fight scenario is townie dead and Chara credibly distanced off the scum no ?

[Tanner]

2692 is because of:

"uuuuuughghghghhhhhh why is this game like this"

i want to say that is easy to fake and isn't a towntell

then i remember i consistently forget to fake paranoia as scum

then i think if you should know that >_>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I read your notes PT for 960 like 10 times so I think I have a pretty good read on you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and sure you can fake things but it has to fit the context to look real

[Tanner]

The ideal scenario for the scum to exit D1 with in a fight scenario is townie dead and Chara credibly distanced off the scum no ?

that ideal wasn't happening though. the only viable fights were beeboy or hectic.

dunno. i wanna trash puppy's iso as wifom garbage, unless it supports my points i guess

[Morning Tweet]

The ideal scenario for the scum to exit D1 with in a fight scenario is townie dead and Chara credibly distanced off the scum no ?

If Hectic is scum, scum's hopes for a townie dying on D1 were really bleak

pedit: yes

[Morning Tweet]

I think Puppy was trying to get the best of both worlds, distancing Elements and eliminating a town Hectic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if the only viable fights were beeboy/hectic then it doesn't really matter what Puppy does and he might as well distance himself for when he inevitably flips.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think Puppy was trying to get the best of both worlds, distancing Elements and eliminating a town Hectic

how serious/committed do you think puppy's D1 push on hectic was?

[Morning Tweet]

I think Puppy was trying to get the best of both worlds, distancing Elements and eliminating a town Hectic

how serious/committed do you think puppy's D1 push on hectic was?

Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Chara, Hectic
Chara--------------------------- (2) redtea, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Lavender ---------------------- (1) Tanner
redtea --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy-------------
Not Fighting: - (3) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, beeboy

HURT: hectic sorry :(

I still want elements but I'm willing to give that slot a ment to change my mind now that there's been a sub. Hectic is my next best bet. Maybe I need to work on some wcumreads, I mostly have townreads

Serious enough to try and pivot the D1 wagon off Elements and to Hectic. Apparently Hectic was his top/second to top scumread all along. He did this right after a bunch of people were openly suspecting Hectic. See the below:

Spoiler: check the context

I could go with pushing hectic this game - his play this game has felt shadier and less like the brilliant town player that I know he is capable of being.

572: ooh. this post gave me a terrible feeling. i'll keep an eye out.

Likely Scum:
Hectic

omg omg your reads match my PoE. why am i so excited.

HURT: hectic sorry :(

I still want elements but I'm willing to give that slot a ment to change my mind now that there's been a sub. Hectic is my next best bet. Maybe I need to work on some wcumreads, I mostly have townreads

Side note, how the FUCK did i miss that? Hectic pointed it out a bunch yesterday and I was just like "lol why would he waste his towncred though". I feel dumb

He does swap back to Elements after beeboy accumulates a couple of extra quick votes. But I'm willing to bet he'd have preferred to see that Hectic wagon go through

You are certainly right that there was some serious distancing going on if those three are partnered though

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Damn. Still can't believe my one and only scumread actually flipped scum.

he forgot about his "serious scumread" the next day too

[Morning Tweet]

Damn. Still can't believe my one and only scumread actually flipped scum.

he forgot about his "serious scumread" the next day too

i think he was trying to exaggerate how hard he bussed Elements. Sweeping the whole Hectic swap thing under the rug was kinda the point.

I fell for it, too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes but do you think Hectic forgets about it?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Launchy + Ele is a possibility. Launchy keeps shading and calling out Ele but isn't pushing him and even used the rep as an excuse to vote me over the slot. The interaction they had looks kind of fake too, where Ele pushes Launchy over their "turn changing", implying they suddenly want to SPARE over FIGHT, when in reality it's just Launchy asking me who

I

want to SPARE since it's something I wanted to do but hadn't pushed for a candidate yet.
Launchy explains himself in an adequate way but Ele lays out the vote anyway, maybe because it'd be weird if they're both scum and for him to shade him but not vote him, like he feels obliged to do so.
I'm not as confident on that aspect as calling Ele scum though. His tone has been surprisingly friendly this game, and not that I'm saying Ele is friendly as a person, but his town game is usually very abrasive and standoffish. He'll speak his mind and won't care about appearances. In this game, he attempted an early pocket on me (yes, it's a meme, Prism, but it felt like an unnatural one - like he voted to SPARE me before I'd even made a single post). Then, he tries to pocket Pooky and even advocates SPARES on Pooky/Ele/I. I'll quote the posts after this.

Also, there's just the giving out a full readlist with only 2 or 3 null reads, but then saying he's feeling very lost in a later post which kinda contradicts where his headspace was at for that readlist post.

like look at this!!