Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

I understand your suspicion of Johnny. It's a good catch

link to VC on this page

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.012
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	Nosferatu	EL-6	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	PenguinPower	EL-6	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Albert B. Rampage, Ydrasse, JohnnyFarrar	EL-2	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	CreativeMod1	EL-6	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
JohnnyFarrar	Bingle, Fun and Games	EL-5	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	Pine, I Keep Siteflaking
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: PenguinPower V/LA until Oct 6 pagetops: Lilith 13 | penguin 9 | cm1 2 | ABR 2 | gamma 2 | gb 1 | fun & games 1 | johnnyf 1 | nosferatu 1

[Fun and Games]

I'm not reading everything. What do you want to know?

In general i'm trying to sort you.

We can start with the specifics of why you think we should be lynching pine rn, that would help.

Also i really, really, dislike you saying that we can just lynch pine cuz there's nearly enough votes for him when a) i have no idea why you're scumreading him and b) you're ignoring iks's reasoning that since he has a high knowledge score, that might be a bad reason to vote him out rn

Would you vote johnny?

~ skitter

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not reading everything. What do you want to know?

In general i'm trying to sort you.

We can start with the specifics of why you think we should be lynching pine rn, that would help.

Also i really, really, dislike you saying that we can just lynch pine cuz there's nearly enough votes for him when a) i have no idea why you're scumreading him and b) you're ignoring iks's reasoning that since he has a high knowledge score, that might be a bad reason to vote him out rn

Would you vote johnny?

~ skitter

a) I have a vague meta headcannon case on Pine. He's usually useless Day 1, but he's done nothing here on Day 2 either.

b) it's a good point.

Let me iso Johnny. He came in like a hurricane and I thought his entrance wasn't trying to hide behind anything, but the knowledge thing gave me serious pause.

[Fun and Games]

My vague meta headcase on pine is that he can be useless for multiple days

[Nosferatu]

He's... not doing anything. And it creeps me out.

Also I have more information. Didn't realize we could use our abilities whenever.

I'd like everyone to tell me in their next post who they would give a +1 knowledge to and why.

ofc ill nominate myself as tribute

V OTECOUNT 2.010
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Nosferatu

Just to make it clear about my ability

ty <3

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

[CreativeMod1]

VOTE: Pine

I'm not 100% sold on Pine but I do think a Pine flip will give us a lot of info and therefore I wanna keep the pressure on

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ally who do I teach

[I Keep Siteflaking]

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

We almost have enough votes for Pine. We can just lynch him. Who would you attack if you were me?

My point was, that if there are two scummy people and we have people who want to attack at night, we should lynch the other person and kill Pine at night, to give him chance to destroy labs. There are no idle labs, so we aren't risking

that

much.

It is still early for me to have reads, but if I had to attack, I would attack Cakez.
2 Strength, voted George, was counterwagon to George, no solving in his ISO, wasn't attacked by maf tonight even though he had 2 strength.

[Bingle]

ABR, I get the sense that you don't have any really strong reads, and I don't think I've ever seen that from town you. Am I correct? If so, can you explain why? Also, if you have a reason to attack someone and no scumreads, I am not opposed to taking a little bit of damage.

Is no one else weirded out about Gamma's claim that he gets free lab attacks and hasn't been attacking labs?

JF, if you can give a +1 knowledge to someone during the day I'd prefer it be Nos. Nos is resilient to attacks as a pseudo PGO if he's town, and I'd like him to be able to break active labs if possible.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Pine

I'm not 100% sold on Pine but I do think a Pine flip will give us a lot of info and therefore I wanna keep the pressure on

:/

Did you read skitt's argument for Pine to die at night?

[I Keep Siteflaking]

VOTE: Johnny
Pine L-2
Johnny L-3

[Bingle]

iks', not skitt's. Sry.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why would we limit our own night actions by wasting a bunch of them on an attack? Have y'all ever played betrayal? Boys with items always win.

Just taught nosferatu. I'd suggest giving Nos and Gamma the pigeon so they can coordinate attacking labs but that's just me

Also didn't realize Bingle was even on me

[SirCakez]

We should not let off the Pine wagon; he is not changing at all. I don't buy mechanics clearing him. I also don't want to go after some of the mechanically weird people like Gamma or Nos today.

I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

roomblock was probably factional, but things are lining up to where it seems my theory about what they did to activate 2 labs is being supported
btw I think upon a Pine scumflip we need to light a fire under ABR and Cakez for both shading me
PEdit: ah thanks

doesnotcompute
I've been all over Pine for pretty much the whole game.

BR does seem a bit sus but in a towny way rn.

how is he sus in a ~townie~ way?

~ skitter

I have since reconsidered (by which I mean he's acted in a way that changed my mind) but he seemed to type of abrasive that I'd expect town to be more often than not, a sort of "devil may care" attitude to how his pushes were perceived.

this means literally nothing w/ABR

He's... not doing anything. And it creeps me out.

Also I have more information. Didn't realize we could use our abilities whenever.

I'd like everyone to tell me in their next post who they would give a +1 knowledge to and why.

Prolly Fun and Games since it seems like they know what's going on or CM1 because I think the way he approached his ability is very town

You're. Welcome.

thanks buddy

Who should I teach iks

The highiest person on this list you townread:
-Nosferatu
-Gamma
-Pine
-everyone else
-Cakez

where the fuck did this come from

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

We almost have enough votes for Pine. We can just lynch him. Who would you attack if you were me?

My point was, that if there are two scummy people and we have people who want to attack at night, we should lynch the other person and kill Pine at night, to give him chance to destroy labs. There are no idle labs, so we aren't risking

that

much.

It is still early for me to have reads, but if I had to attack, I would attack Cakez.
2 Strength, voted George, was counterwagon to George, no solving in his ISO, wasn't attacked by maf tonight even though he had 2 strength.

when I voted George I was not expecting that stupid lolhammer, he was not my preferred elim yesterday at all. to say I have no solving in my ISO is rich. no setup solving maybe but that's because I hate trying to "solve" setups and game mechanics and I made that clear very early on. Which is also probably why scum didn't attack me.

honestly this game is making my brain hurt a little and my brain is already getting wrecked by school
I'm kinda at the point where I want to dump a lurker and go to night

[SirCakez]

I would only vote Johnny because of how bad Beeboy was.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Now the only people we haven't meaningfully heard from since I joined are ydrasse and Pine (and Penguin who i hope is doing ok)

[Pine]

I'm a bit depressed today. I'm going to try to post meaningfully, but I'm behind.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Get better Pine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just taught nosferatu. I'd suggest giving Nos and Gamma the pigeon so they can coordinate attacking labs but that's just me

Why Nos?

[JohnnyFarrar]

He said his requirement was different for destroying labs, which i took to mean lower

[JohnnyFarrar]

Man and I was genuinely worried I'd be rusty and not active enough for this game.

Iks having any confidence that a nighttime pile on would work at all in this setup reads as scummy to me

Cmod is so absent after his claim and is only doleing things out in a drip feed and I hate it.

Pine, we've got 5 days. If you're not feeling it, make yourself a nice meal and come back later.

Ally B-Ram should tell me why I'm getting voted in his own words. Next VC will reveal I'm at least telling one truth and I'm starting to get listless

[lilith2013]

thank you

[lilith2013]

for the