Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bell]

Well to put it simply I just lost a game where a baby sitter, a 3 shot-loud-gunsmith, a night-3 gunsmith. A town-combined neighborizer-motion detector, an odd night cop/even night doc, town watcher, town disloyal roll blocker., town vengeful vigilante were the PR claims/flips. And I thought that the baby sitter and the odd night cop/even night doc were town.

[morph the cat]

That seetup sounds nightmarish.

[420 Blaze It]

is it too late to join that game?

[Bell]

yeah except the baby sitter claimed day 1 (because I pushed a wagon on her), and the town watcher and 3-shot loud gunsmith. Died day 1 to flash hammer and claimed day 1 respectively and the odd night cop/even night doc claimed day 2 as a counter to a scum fake claim of being a cop.

The baby sitter never died. The doc never died and the baby sitter never successfully protected anyone, while the cop investigated dead people, twice.

[Bell]

The point being,

Is that I hate myself and my ability to read PRs is God tier bad.

[zMuffinMan]

well, there's not enough claims to get enough of a picture of the setup to know whether or not it's a fake-claim obviously, but it's probably unwise to get rid of it today without a counter-claim

watcher/tracker roles i generally categorise more with 'protective' abilities than 'investigative' fwiw - yes, they're investigative, but they coordinate too well with protective roles for there to be much overlap (e.g. it's unlikely for there to be an ungated watcher/doc in a mini game without there being some serious scum power to counter that)

[zMuffinMan]

well not so much tracker roles but watcher roles definitely are 'protective-lite'

[Bell]

UNVOTE:

Well now that you're an outted doc/fake claimed doc, could you maybe share your thoughts on day 2?

[midwaybear]

should he claim his target?

[morph the cat]

The point being,

Is that I hate myself and my ability to read PRs is God tier bad.

I used to be uncanny good* at picking up PR mindset tells and confusing them with scum mindset tells. Fortunately I got better at differentiating.


*This is one of those alternate meanings that are hard to find via google search.

[morph the cat]

should he claim his target?

No.

[PlusJOYED]

so...
he joined this game to replace in, see's hes a town protective, and then doesn't care at all.
when i put myself in their shoes I just don't understand. The only games where I haven't cared are when I'm VT or caught scum.

I think that might be a mafia fakeclaim given by the mod, but considering what morph said that's pretty strong fakeclaim.

[PlusJOYED]

should he claim his target?

hell no
if he's maf it doesn't matter, if he's town thats valuable info for maf

[midwaybear]

I mean it could provide info if he is maf which I find to still be somewhat likely. Agree that we probably don't go here today though
UNVOTE:

[morph the cat]

I'm curious about the conditional, but I don't think that should be poked at today.

With such a cool role, I'm even more confused that Prism replaced out.

Bell, given how strategically Prism was thinking in the FGO game before they alt slipped, do you think a role like this would have hooked them pretty hard?

[Bell]

Angle shoot,
I agree though that he would probably be into it.
On the other hand statistically PR's and Scum replace out more than town 1:1. (though I believe scum do it slightly more than PRs(?))

[Bell]

I think just based on his personality though, he wouldn't rep out of a town power role, given he dislikes being scum from my understanding of him.
On the otherhand he seemed pretty gung ho about getting better at playing as scum and replaced out anyway.

...Did I just say nothing? I did just say nothing.

[April Ludgate]

should he claim his target?

It was obv me

[midwaybear]

yeah probably
that's no help

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Plus

420 could have been given a Fake Claim by the mods, but it’s enough I don’t want to kill today.

[zMuffinMan]

With such a cool role, I'm even more confused that Prism replaced out.

i just assumed he replaced out because certain players (not naming names) were spamming 20 pages a day

[April Ludgate]

Plus, ST, Remelia, Zmuffin has all 3 scum if 420 is town.

The way Plus is acting seems exactly how scum needs to act right now, tbh

[April Ludgate]

With such a cool role, I'm even more confused that Prism replaced out.

i just assumed he replaced out because certain players (not naming names) were spamming 20 pages a day

Nah, he was part of it for a minute. There’s a chance he got scared when I voted him and called him partners with Plus, if I was correct with that.

I’ll likely hold on to that idea until the end

[midwaybear]

There’s a chance he got scared when I voted him and called him partners with Plus, if I was correct with that.

I'm pretty sure this isn't why people replace out.

[PlusJOYED]

With such a cool role, I'm even more confused that Prism replaced out.

i just assumed he replaced out because certain players (not naming names) were spamming 20 pages a day

Nah, he was part of it for a minute. There’s a chance he got scared when I voted him and called him partners with Plus, if I was correct with that.

I’ll likely hold on to that idea until the end

that's not a reason people would replace out imo