Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

like, a Zmuffin red flip clears Remelia. And I don't know how you look at Day 2 and not see Zmuffin trying to create as many possible openings and threads for scum to go because I got a clear on Bulge. (yes, you can not believe that, that's fine, but if you town read me, then the 5-6 people I mentioned earlier have to have 3 scum within them, unless you think Morph/Bell are off.)

VOTE: Zmuffin

[zMuffinMan]

though the fact that it's limited to scum hammering brings me back to: i don't believe you think that role can't exist with a protective role, or specifically with 420's?

[April Ludgate]

What I don’t understand is why scum rem would fake claim out of the blue like this, though the last time I thought this scum was counter claiming their partner. Which sucked.

Yeah, I don't see why scum would scum claim over 420's role, when it was very possible for 420 to be faded even without their claiming.

[Secret Tunnel]

April all due respect you’ve said everyone looks like they re clearly scum at some point

[April Ludgate]

though the fact that it's limited to scum hammering brings me back to: i don't believe you think that role can't exist with a protective role, or specifically with 420's?

Like, I'm with you Z, all day, your logic has been sound. It just sucks that you're hard pushing a scum agenda.

And I think someone called you a potential puppet master scum? I was really confused at the time, because I didn't see you as that type of player, and then all the actions you've taken today definitely have made me see it.

Your discrediting techniques are very solid.

[April Ludgate]

April all due respect you’ve said everyone looks like they re clearly scum at some point

With all due respect, if you think that's bad, then you need to stop thinking on the surface level.

[April Ludgate]

I've clearly stated my analysis, and if you think I'm not closing in to a solve, frankly, you're delusional.

[zMuffinMan]

What I don’t understand is why scum rem would fake claim out of the blue like this

i can give one obvious explanation IF bork is scum: if enough people believe 420's claim, remilia was one of the next candidates to be up on the chopping block

[Secret Tunnel]

I didn’t say I disagreed with you lol

(Inb4 scum keeping my options open to bus later). I think I even said in d1 if there’s scum in our meta circle side it’s bulge or muffin

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Your solve includes one person I know for a fact is town so forgive me if I struggle to believe it

[midwaybear]

It doesn't seem like April is doing all of this for post game cred. It just seems like they are constantly shifting their reads with each post in thread even if it means bouncing around a lot. Seems really hard to fake as scum even though I know that he is a great scum player.

[Remilia Scarlet]

though the fact that it's limited to scum hammering brings me back to: i don't believe you think that role can't exist with a protective role, or specifically with 420's?

I consider the protective capacity of 420's role and the kill stopping power of my role to be 1) somewhat in the same vein 2) high powered and 3) I'm not townreading 420 for anything else. That fits better to me than 420 and I are both town and that there's scum in April/Maid

So far the only potential scum power we have evidence of is something that seems to insulate a person for a day

[April Ludgate]

Morph and Bell are my townies, Bulge is conf town.

The only way my analysis can be wrong at this point is if Morph/Bell have infiltrated my town reads, but even then, I'll be able to figure that out with more time.

Everyone has an equal chance of being scum at the beginning of the game. Proper play is to go through every single aspect and possibility. Why the hell would I not go over anyone?

That is surface level thinking.

I don't do simple minded reads and expect my town reads to always be correct or that my proposed scum team is correct, but I will make cases and play with the world as if it is correct until something comes into the information bank that proves it to be untrue.

[April Ludgate]

I didn’t say I disagreed with you lol

(Inb4 scum keeping my options open to bus later). I think I even said in d1 if there’s scum in our meta circle side it’s bulge or muffin

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Your solve includes one person I know for a fact is town so forgive me if I struggle to believe it

I don't have a solve right now.

Who do you know for a fact is town?!!? and why?


You need to bring this information in.

[April Ludgate]

That's exactly the type of thing I'm trying to get from everyone so my solve can be accurate.

Why the hell do people just go "I KNOW THEYRE A TOWN READ SO THATS BAD"


like wtf, actively work with other players dude.

[midwaybear]

Who do you know for a fact is town?!!? and why?

pretty sure he is talking about himself

[morph the cat]

Assuming Mariaboy is indeed town, and with all claims on the board we have somehting like...


{Suicide Bomber, WTFOMGBBQ LYLO SHENANIGANS, White Mage, Some sort of investigative tbd (April), Our role (noneya), VTs)

vs

{???,???, (maybe silencer?)}

If april's investigative is seriously gated or weak I fail to see how this can't be the setup, with the other two mafia being like... some sort of strongman and or some sort of investigative as well?


With this much town power claimed.... I'm not really sure there's much point in treating any given claim as clearing and we gotta revert back to reading.

[Secret Tunnel]

Yeah bear I’m aware

I think it’s more likely from town to post one random combination in a post at postgame and say they called it and we didn’t listen

But now I’m back at square one

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Myself?

Because the mods told me so?

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I’m literally just ribbing you relax

[morph the cat]

like wtf, actively work with other players dude.

A few universes over just wondered why their distant earthling outposts stopped checking in.

[zMuffinMan]

i think i'm just going to ignore april for the rest of the game

[morph the cat]

Ftr, if white mage is a fakeclaim, it's 100% a mod provided one because no fucking way you pull THAT old nacho ref out of your hat unless 420 is secretly peregrineV who like... spent the past 6 years getting better at the game.

[April Ludgate]

It doesn't seem like April is doing all of this for post game cred. It just seems like they are constantly shifting their reads with each post in thread even if it means bouncing around a lot. Seems really hard to fake as scum even though I know that he is a great scum player.

I've done my work already. I feel like even if my reads are wrong, I've had an extremely strong town game this game, and I plan on helping bring this home.

This happens often. And then people finally understand, and games get won.

[April Ludgate]

i think i'm just going to ignore april for the rest of the game

this is how you get me to post more.

VOTE: Zmuffin

[zMuffinMan]

in before april says im frankensteining him or cookiemonstering him or something

[Bell]

What I don’t understand is why scum rem would fake claim out of the blue like this

i can give one obvious explanation IF bork is scum: if enough people believe 420's claim, remilia was one of the next candidates to be up on the chopping block

Not wrong but not entirely right either.

If we assume scum are trapped in the PoE, then all this claiming makes some sense to get out of it.

I don’t think we should eliminate outside of 420/rem today.

I don’t think we should eliminate until I see maid cafe log in once.

[morph the cat]

Pros and cons of just getting massclaim over with at this point?

Muffin won't reply to or read this post unless his name is in it so muffin muffin cake muffin.