Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Noraa]

im sure our prs know when they need to out. if no one's outing, it means there was no interesting tea last night

[teacher]

my vote will be back on teacher in time.

But youre going to need a brand new reason if BM is a vig kill, right? Because the whole of your earlier push was based on the BM kill.... Im waiting.

[Noraa]

I have a slight problem which is that our main two suspects today are teacher and bob
but like .... im fairly null on both maybe a bit more scum on bob but idk

[teacher]

Now I know why TGP pushed me out of the gate. The lim should be between me and him today, purely by VCA. Look over the D1 wagons. Town!Shelley was the consistent leader throughout the day. TGP started as a counter, but then got replaced by Town!Taylor. Town!Taylor got replaced by me -- all the while TGP was somewhat consistently in the background. Either he is the scum wagon that couldnt gain momentum or I am. I have my role my PM, but the flow around 1.6 to 1.12 sells me pretty well too.

Spoiler: VCA

votecount 2.1

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(6) :

Battle Mage

; TheGoldenParadox ; Alonzo ; Datisi ; bob3141 ; teacher

Execution !

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(0) :

bob3141 (0) :

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (5) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Iconeum ; iamausername ; Noraa ; Menalque

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to yeet someone, the day will end in (expired on 2020-10-12 12:27:01)

Random fact : this day was finished 33 times faster than day 1

votecount 1.12

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(2) :

shellyc

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (3) : iamausername ;

Tayl0r Swift

;

Battle Mage

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

Bunno

(0) :

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(7) : TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141 ; Menalque ; Iconeum ; Datisi ;

Bunno

; Alonzo

Execution !

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.11

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(3) :

shellyc

;

Bunno

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (4) : datisi ; iamausername ;

Tayl0r Swift

;

Battle Mage

Exe-3

Battle Mage

(2) : Alonzo ; Noraa

Bunno

(0) :

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(4) : TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141 ; Iconeum ; Menalque

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :
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votecount 1.10

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(2) :

shellyc

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (2) : iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) :

Bunno

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(2) : Alonzo ; Noraa

Bunno

(1) :

Tayl0r Swift

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(5) : Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141 ; Iconeum

Exe-2

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.9

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(3) :

shellyc

;

Bunno

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (2) : iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) : Noraa

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Alonzo

Bunno

(0) :

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(5) : Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141 ; Iconeum

Exe-2

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.8

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) :

shellyc

TheGoldenParadox (2) : iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (2) :

Bunno

; Noraa

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Alonzo

Bunno

(1) : Teacher

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(5) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141

Exe-2

Noraa (1) : Iconeum

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.7

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) :

shellyc

TheGoldenParadox (2) : iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Alonzo

piisirrational

(2) : bob3141 ; Teacher

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (1) : Iconeum

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (1) : Noraa

votecount 1.6

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(2) :

shellyc

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (3) : Iconeum ; iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.5

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(2) :

shellyc

; Teacher

TheGoldenParadox (3) : Iconeum ; iamausername ;

Battle Mage

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (0) :

votecount 1.4

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) :

shellyc

TheGoldenParadox (2) : Iconeum ; Noraa

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(0) :

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (2) : Alonzo ; iamausername

shellyc

(4) :

Tayl0r Swift

; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Exe-3

Noraa (0) :

Menalque (2) : Teacher ;

Battle Mage

Not Voting (0) :

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votecount 1.3

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) :

shellyc

TheGoldenParadox (1) : Iconeum

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (2) : Alonzo ; iamausername

shellyc

(1) :

Tayl0r Swift

Noraa (2) : Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox

Menalque (2) : Teacher ;

Battle Mage

Not Voting (1) : Menalque

votecount 1.2

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(0) :

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (1) :

piisirrational

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(1) : Noraa

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (1) : Alonzo

shellyc

(1) :

Tayl0r Swift

Noraa (4) : Datisi ;

Battle Mage

; TheGoldenParadox ;

shellyc

Exe-3

Menalque (1) Teacher

Not Voting (3) : Menalque ; Iconeum ; iamausername

votecount 1.1

Alonzo (0) :

Tayl0r Swift

(1) : Alonzo

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (0) :

Datisi (0) :

teacher (0) :

Battle Mage

(2) : Noraa ; Menalque

piisirrational

(1) : bob3141

bob3141 (0) :

shellyc

(0) :

Noraa (2) :

Battle Mage

; Datisi

Menalque (0) :

Not Voting (7) :

Tayl0r Swift

; TheGoldenParadox ; Iconeum ; iamausername ; teacher ;

piisirrational

;

shellyc

[teacher]

do you understand that this really isn't a strong case for others to vote teacher and you should maybe back off?

i'm not hating the case on teacher right now,

sorry, let me clarify that: a NK on BM makes no sense unless scum contains teacher (where it makes some sense) or contains both teacher and noraa (where it makes a lot of sense).

This evolution on my slot makes 0 sense based on the intervening. Essentially, GP was not down for the D1 wagon (buddies on it???), leaves himself open to hammer it, but IMMEDIATELY comes out hot to trot for me on D3. The supposed difference -- "NKA" Horse petootie.

• GP recognizes that BM kill is absurd for scum, but particularly already suspect scum!me ya? like in no world.
  
• GP doesnt even try to critically think all the way through the NKA -- he has to explain Bunno too.

[teacher]

I was seeing strong associatives between Mena and GP D1 that I chalked up to *reasons*, but those reasons seem less persuasive with a mailman flipped. But I dont think two scum hard oppose my wagon after a VT claim. I also think Mena knows my meta, which explains his hesitance. So Mena is town.

[Noraa]

I've never liked Golden's play this game so I think that may be a good lim. Teacher I haven't looked into much this round. Ngl I had a fun fun time tunneling BM who the scums did dirty most likely with some weird manipulative. cuz he was 100% convinced Taylor was scum and the only people that would mess with night actions like that are the scums I think.

[teacher]

Teacher feels like a very random spontaneous wagon

Mena has been talking about "anyone but teacher", and says Taylor is sus, but never joins Taylor wagon.

Why is this game so messed up? It's not even about me compromissing anymore, Mena it's you that doesn't want to compromisse on Taylor at all.

If you/TGP which if I remember correctly sus Taylor do come with us on her wagon, we may have a shoot on getting someone other than teacher. I don't really feel any good reason for that random teacher wagon.

what are your reasons against the teacher case? you hadnt posted them at this point.

I read the case but felt like your reasons were very generic. I actually had a slightly good impression of teacher's posts. He was one of the few ones interested in Taylor in the beginning as well.

Maybe if Taylor is town I would be a bit more skeptical of him but for now I enjoy having his slot around.

just if you flip me I want town to look at my readslist. I think with this game state tmr can be a Taylor flip. red Taylor means green Bunno and probably red Datisi

if Taylor is also green I think 2-3 of scum are active and pretty strong to manipulate the gamestate

Bob looks decent for a partner. There were quite a lot of expressed scumreads of him in the mid-D1 area, but no wagon ever started. Expressions without voting. And when those expressions took place is the one time GP actually addresses the Bob slot at all, to provide a countervailing town read against the momentum forming there.

That said, I have to think about the other partner. For the D1 wagons to be this town, I think Shelley was right that there have to be 2-3 active scum. But I feel good about Mena and Ico, and the other actives are flipped town. Something is still off.

[teacher]

Eek -- sorry about the quotes, was reading EoD comments from confirmed town, and must have hit some Qs as a I scrolled.

[Noraa]

First off, its shelly not shelley
Second off, solve me

[teacher]

Strong TR.

im fairly null on both

Wanna hit this up?

[teacher]

Lol, thats literally where my mind went for the 3rd. I dunno. Youve bled newb to me. I went about 82 rounds in my head on you v. BM, even as the thread did the same. For me its hard to separate the genuine tone of your posts -- screaming look at my town meta -- with the lack of any logical trajectory. Still, the outfront refusal to give trajectory rings emotionally true.

Basically, my soulread/meld in this game is Ico. Ive had you as hard town. Ive had you as scum. I wouldnt be surprised by any flip. But by wagon analysis, you arent worth spending the day on - you're not the lim. It should be me or TGP.

[Noraa]

ouchie that sounded sounded fencesitty
but anyways meh u were a strong TR for day 1. After a missed day 2 on my part and some thinking while the thread was locked, im pretty null on u

[teacher]

VC 1.11 also points to scum in (dat/username) for me.

[Noraa]

I'm not sure what to think here tbh. I feel like town is in a pretty bad position rn with this many mislims and stuff but im not too sure how to help. I want to help but I seriously, for the life of me, cannot fucking tell who is scum and who isnt. Everything is just flip flops when im town.

[teacher]

Teach Ico
Mena Alonzo
Noraa
user Dat
Bob TGP

yea, I guess fencesitty is fair for that shotgun reads. I cant be stronger than that because I honestly havent liked your posts. I cant sell town you, but I dont see a scum motivation for what youre doing. Your null, or town by rand.

[Noraa]

u didnt like my catch up post?
I'll have uk that took me a shit shit shit ton of time

[teacher]

I dont doubt it. But I also havent really marinated on it ya? Ill get back to you on that one. The post that stuck out to me more from today was the vig idea, since it feels like solveyness and rings true to me. But I also could see a scum!motivation for you in particular to say it wasnt a scumshot.

[teacher]

And just based on odds of 4 wagons. 2 on confirmed town, one on nora that heavily looked liek noob town after me and others questioned her. One left alive , so i think the odds are prety good

yea, this is TGP's scumbuddy. He ignores the D1 TGP wagon entirely, despite reputation for long-scale wagon analysis. Votes with TGP on me early D3 to start momentum. Stays outside of game conversations. Is paired with TGP on most serious wagons but there is little to no direct discussion between the slots of the similar thinking.

[Noraa]

Why would scum say it isnt a scum shot?

[Noraa]

I dont understand that logic

[teacher]

Why would scum say it isnt a scum shot?

To avoid the nka that TGP did to say we are partners who fear killed BM.

[Noraa]

uhhhhh wtf
scum would have to be legit stupid to kill bm out of fear when its very clear he would've been the lim of today.
ok but I must put out there that if that really was scum's nk, yeah uh sorry for calling y'all stupid and that must not sound hot ... having a newb call u stupid rip

[teacher]

VOTE: tgp

Let’s dance. (But only after school....). Good night.

[TheGoldenParadox]

And just based on odds of 4 wagons. 2 on confirmed town, one on nora that heavily looked liek noob town after me and others questioned her. One left alive , so i think the odds are prety good

yea, this is TGP's scumbuddy. He ignores the D1 TGP wagon entirely, despite reputation for long-scale wagon analysis. Votes with TGP on me early D3 to start momentum. Stays outside of game conversations. Is paired with TGP on most serious wagons but there is little to no direct discussion between the slots of the similar thinking.

VOTE: teacher i think it's pretty clear that we have no investigative claims atm so this is the wagon to go. the d1 tgp wagon fizzled out quite quickly and by the end of d1 the majority of the pl had me as town. you can't say he's "paired with me on most serious wagons" when I've only really ever been a part of two wagons both of which led to elimination, and the latter was just "who's online", so really one serious, major wagon which was on shelly. definitely not counting bob out as scum (i can visualize a teacher/noraa/bob pairing).

teacher and noraa are caught scum that are being incredibly defensive atm. hindsight is 20/20, but i wish i'd joined bm and menal on the noraa wagon.