Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

link to VC on this page

[Fun and Games]

i feel p good townbinning cakez tbh

[SirCakez]

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

i'm not offended that you won't townclear me for that (I wouldn't either in your position assuming you're town) but I am offended you dislike my play

[JohnnyFarrar]

You have a few reads that are inexplicable and you haven't.. well... explained them

I'm referring to the light shade on ydrasse and the light non- shade on funnygarm

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

i'm not offended that you won't townclear me for that (I wouldn't either in your position assuming you're town) but I am offended you dislike my play

why specifically wouldn't you townclear yourself from JF's position? what about him specifically allows that?

[SirCakez]

You have a few reads that are inexplicable and you haven't.. well... explained them

I'm referring to the light shade on ydrasse and the light non- shade on funnygarm

I feel like SRing Ydrasse is self explanatory just ISO them
Fun and Games is one of the few engines pushing this game forward doesn't make sense for them to be scum

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

i'm not offended that you won't townclear me for that (I wouldn't either in your position assuming you're town) but I am offended you dislike my play

why specifically wouldn't you townclear yourself from JF's position? what about him specifically allows that?

because it's something pretty easy to fake. JF specifically is not relevant it could be any other player.

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.014
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	Nosferatu	EL-6	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	PenguinPower, Fun and Games	EL-5	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Ydrasse, JohnnyFarrar, CreativeMod1, Albert B. Rampage	EL-1	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
JohnnyFarrar	Bingle, I Keep Siteflaking	EL-5	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	Pine
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: yall wrecking my pagetops PenguinPower V/LA until Oct 6 pagetops: Lilith 14 | penguin 9 | cm1 2 | ABR 2 | gamma 2 | johnnyf 2 | gb 1 | fun & games 1 | nosferatu 1

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'd argue that effie g hasn't done much of anything today, especially compared to yesterday

Lili I'm just gonna keep posting baybay. Gotta keep up

[Fun and Games]

I think it's quite suspicious that ABR followed us onto Johnny - which would imply that he thinks our case on Johnny going after Pine had merit - this would imply that Pine is town by extension.

Now that we've changed our mind after some debate, ABR has switched back from Johnny to voting Pine instead - a complete 180 and putting Pine back at E-1.


~Not Skitter

[JohnnyFarrar]

That does suck

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's get a hammer going. I'm ready.

[Gamma Emerald]

hell no, I think there's still a good amount of discussion to be had

[Fun and Games]

Let's get a hammer going. I'm ready.

So many posts of mine that you're ignoring

I'm still kinda baffled why the pine wagon is a thing, or why you're treating it as inevitable

~ skitter

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hammer? Hammer? Ain't nobody talking about a hammer.

Waiting on pine to post, Penguin gets back tomorrow if all is well. No reason to rush. No more blindsides.

Ok Effie, if you don't understand the pine wagon at all, I need something else from you. Which votes did you LIKE on yesterday's wagon

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ydrasse if your approach to this thread is dread, I suggest going lighter with it. Just read the thread and come back with what stuck out off the top of your head.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's get a hammer going. I'm ready.

So many posts of mine that you're ignoring

I'm still kinda baffled why the pine wagon is a thing, or why you're treating it as inevitable

~ skitter

Read the damn game to know why Pine wagon is a thing

[JohnnyFarrar]

General question. For someone who chose to explore: were you given a specific room you found?

Dunno if this was ever answered, but now I'm out so I can say naw they didn't tell me a room.

LAMISTY

What does this mean

[Ydrasse]

i feel like a lot of this game is just going over my head at this point but @_@

VOTE: abr

we have some time and i don't really get saying that we should get a hammer ready when the game has finally picked up. idk if it's like, trying to get an elim through before pressure heightens or trying to get another doctor to not post more stuff + the cred of a scumflip buuuuut. i don't like it.

[Ydrasse]

there are also some posts from abr that make me go ???

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

i think? i responded to this one but like... it's a possibility but i don't think it's a very likely one all things considered? i had my moment where i doubted gamma but i don't think it's something that gamma would want to risk/get away with. suggesting it here feels more like an effort to get some suspicion off of pine.

in general i don't really like his approach about pine... it feels like it teeters back and forth from pine and back onto and i don't know if the moments where it goes back onto pine are the moments where abr would rather try to push pine if they're teamed in an effort to just like... move the gamestate onward/benefit from night actions/etc.

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

We almost have enough votes for Pine. We can just lynch him. Who would you attack if you were me?

i also don't know why this post stuck out for me but it feels like... an unnatural interaction which i could not explain why but i keep staring at it as if i will figure out why.

uh, i'm really not going too deep with this because i am tired and this game is a Lot to me but i'm fine with an abr vote. the one caveat is that i do agree that flipping pine is... fine? i don't prefer it but it's not something that i'd be too stressed over.

[Ydrasse]

The highiest person on this list you townread:

I am scumreading Pine just because mechanics. If someone can make a decent town read on him, I don't mind shifting him to null ~ townlean.
And I think that it is better to have townlean with 5 dices than townread with 4 dices. Especially when the extra dice doubles the chance to destroy the lab.

also, this post made me wrinkle my nose.

you're scumreading someone, and yeah you admit you'll accept a case on them to move them up to maybe null, maybe a tiny bit town. but the mechanics of this game like... if pine is scum, and we decide not to kill him and attack him... i feel like that's such a waste. because he's not gonna try to deactivate a lab at all in that situation, and you're taking a risk that he won't even die, or get protected from attacks, or anything else that can happen.

aaaand i mean, yeah you're right better to have townleans with five dices but you're not like... making the effort to townread him yourself/do that little case, you're just like. "yeah i'll roll with it if it shows up." which... makes all of this feel like a big waste essentially.

[Fun and Games]

Read the damn game to know why Pine wagon is a thing

Both of us have read the game multiple times.

We understand the reasoning behind the Pine push. We just think it's really bad.

Like you think scum purposefully put +1 Knowledge on their OWN player on N0 so that he could more easily activate labs right?

The simplest counterpoint to this theory is that stats are public knowledge and it doesn't make sense to sacrifice a scum-player just to activate a lab.

More importantly -

labs do not matter this early in the game

There are currently at least 8-9 town players (3-4 scum) and only TWO labs activated - which means the bad guys are nowhere close to fulfilling their lab activation victory condition.

This means we have plenty of time to de-activate these activated labs - at least a few night-phases- though ideally we would just kill the bad guys and win the game that way. The best chance the town has to de-activate these labs is to have high knowledge players try to deactivate labs - so shouldn't we at least give Pine a chance to de-activate these labs instead of just yeeting him? If he fails like multiple times then your case for yeeting him gets much better.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Does anyone have a meta read on Albert? Just curious. I played with them years and years ago but can't say with any confidence that I remember anything about their scum vs town game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

All my games are updated in my wiki.

Voting me is counter-productive to me solving you. My power is my night time attack. If I find a weapon it becomes even more powerful. I could probably 1-shot some of you with good dice rolls. I plan on solving this game alone and doing what's necessary to win. You're either with me or against me.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ooh threatening. How does your shit compare to ydrasses shit?

[lilith2013]

boop