Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3200 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:42 pm

he seemed uncharacteristically confident in suji being the chara and his reasoning for it was very unconvincing for a player of his caliber.

ISO · Post Post #3201 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:18 pm

Spare Votecount 3.1

Hectic--------------------------

Chara---------------------------

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(1) Hectic

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender ----------------------

Krazy--------------------------

(1) Prism

Tanner -------------------------

(1) PookyTheMagicalBear,

Not sparing:

- (5) Chara, Morning Tweet, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner,

Fight Votecount 3.1

Hectic--------------------------

Chara---------------------------

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(2) Hectic, Morning Tweet,

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender ----------------------

Krazy--------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

(1) Krazy

Not Fighting:

- (5) Chara, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, Tanner

"Ok, you actors look like you need a challenge." Nahdia stated. They turned out the lights again, but this time they brought the lights back on by lighting up the floor in a wild pattern of squares. "It's a floor puzzle! It's a beta with three colors though.. the green ones let you walk, the red ones don't, and the dark ones teleport you to start."
Nahdia tossed a cone of Nice Cream from their left hand to their right.
"Prop incorporation! First to cross gets to eat!".
Tanner tried to look down at all the tiles. They glowed and flashed in a bright red and green, except for the dull grey colors. Tanner soon had to close his eye, in a bit of pain.
"Urghh.."
It looked like it hurt.
PookyTheMagicalBear saw Tanner, and his heart brimmed with compassion.
"Wait, Tanner."
PookyTheMagicalBear disabled one of the dark panels and pulled the glass tile off of it, effectively destroying that tile. Then he rounded it into a circle using the sharp edge, and laid it over Tanner's eye like a contact lens.
"Here, you have shade now." PookyTheMagicalBear gave Tanner a small smile.

It takes five to make a decision. The deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-15 12:00:24)

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3202 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:50 pm

HEAL: Lavender

Hectic · Post Post #3203 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:43 pm

Why didn't you ever vote for Ele on D1, Pooky? You shaded him a lot, enough to even say he was exactly

Chara

, but never voted him until deadline beckoned.

Krazy · Post Post #3204 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:56 pm

###Colorized Votecount 1

Spoiler:

Krazy · Post Post #3205 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:00 pm

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.4
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, catboi, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Chara, Morning Tweet
Chara--------------------------- (2) Krazy, Hectic

If we take Prism as town (still my inclination) then this is an all town wagon on Hectic with a counter-wagon on scum led by scum. What is this game lol

Krazy · Post Post #3206 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:02 pm

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.6
Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (2) CantLynchAPuppy, Chara
Chara--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (3) Hectic, catboi, Tanner

If scum have usual spread then Chara would lean town off this and the Pooky wagon is worth looking at

Krazy · Post Post #3207 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:05 pm

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.8
Hectic-------------------------- (1) Prism
beeboy----------------------- (4) Chara, Hectic, catboi , CantLynchAPuppy

note to self to look at CLAP's beeboy vote before 1.8

Krazy · Post Post #3208 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:11 pm

If we pre-flip Lavender then Tweet actually looks pretty opportunistic day 2, suji-slot replaceout,, Lavender (lynchbait lurker), Tayl0r (somewhat self-destructive lost slot), I think reviewing that iso is probably top priority for tomorrow.

Need to think about the 2.4 wagon on my slot and CLAP's vote

ISO · Post Post #3209 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:14 pm

yeah but I wanted Lav because my heart didnt want it to be tayl0r, so I'd prefer taking the die roll on the missing slot

ISO · Post Post #3210 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:15 pm

In post 3206, Krazy wrote:FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.6
Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (2) CantLynchAPuppy, Chara
Chara--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (3) Hectic, catboi, Tanner

If scum have usual spread then Chara would lean town off this and the Pooky wagon is worth looking at

You gotta include pooky too -- it appears he wasn't voting in that one?

Krazy · Post Post #3211 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:16 pm

By the way Tweet I did see your response to me earlier and I do plan to respond to that, just wanted to get started on VCA

I think Chara's slot actually looks better than I was expecting and Tweet's slot looks a bit worse

I have some thoughts simmering on the wagon movement between CLAP and Tanner on day 2 but I don't want to talk more about that slot right now until I feel better about my overall solve, need to dive isos tomorrow, for now I'm off

Krazy · Post Post #3212 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:17 pm

In post 3210, Morning Tweet wrote:You gotta include pooky too -- it appears he wasn't voting in that one?

This is all based on Isis's iso, I can't edit that post unfortunately and I did notice some other little issues (prism double voting at end of day etc.) that I haven't cleaned up on my doc

let me know any other bugs from the mod iso you notice (other than the duplicate vote count numbers

)

ISO · Post Post #3213 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:18 pm

In post 3205, Krazy wrote:FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.4
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, catboi, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Chara, Morning Tweet
Chara--------------------------- (2) Krazy, Hectic

If we take Prism as town (still my inclination) then this is an all town wagon on Hectic with a counter-wagon on scum led by scum. What is this game lol

Beeboy would have been golden if he managed to make it past D2, is my guess. Super wacky though

Although it's easier for an all town wagon to exist when 2/3 scum aren't voting

ISO · Post Post #3214 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:19 pm

In post 3212, Krazy wrote:
In post 3210, Morning Tweet wrote:You gotta include pooky too -- it appears he wasn't voting in that one?
This is all based on Isis's iso, I can't edit that post unfortunately and I did notice some other little issues (prism double voting at end of day etc.) that I haven't cleaned up on my doc

let me know any other bugs from the mod iso you notice (other than the duplicate vote count numbers :P )

Oh I meant include Pooky in the "scum voting pattern" pool of suspects. He's not on that VC but him not voting could be just as bad as someone being on a town counterwagon

I love the coloured VCs!

Prism · Post Post #3215 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:23 pm

I've been on my phone reading as I fail to sleep, at the risk of restarting the cycle completely anew

Chara is back to super town

I have thoughts on Hectic's Poorly case which I read like, 3 hours ago at this point, that I'll revisit later.

tl;dr I don't think I found it persuasive, but given that I expected Chara to top my list on reread (nope) my instinct is that Pooky is a top candidate regardless.

...When was the last time I did find anyone else's point but my own persuasive? Should reflect on that

Kind of confused as to how Krazy has me town given mech mistakes+Puppyflip revealing I was in 0 danger as scum but sure I'll take it. I guess taking the Krazy misfight earlier and leaving Taylor for later is the better call, rather than letting a slot I know can powertown via Scumsman get into the game, makes sense but ???

Krazy · Post Post #3216 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:27 pm

Scumsman is most of the basis for my read on you, not really that specifically but more overall tone/approach

I haven't really deeply reviewed your other scum games or done a test to see if I can consistently differentiate your town from scum games but this game does feel *really* different in terms of thought process and dynamism/fluidity from Scumsman which felt like a fairly straightforward scum game

There are some things you've posted that have made me go ??? so I wouldn't say I'm casually throwing you as hard town as I was yesterday but my initial impression is still pretty strong and I think I'd probably still put you and chara as the beginnings of a townblock even with the few things that make me pause. I guess I can ask whether you subjectively think you have a wide enough scum range to feel as different as you do in scumsman and this but I'm not sure that answering that will help my read of you

ISO · Post Post #3217 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:28 pm

Lol I forgot Tanner primarily suspected Puppy start of D2, that's just icing on the cake for me tbh. I guess the argument could be made that scum needed a gambit in order to stay alive though

sighhhh

Prismmmm vote Pooky with ussssss

Krazy · Post Post #3218 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:32 pm

@Prism, I guess I would say that if you are scum this game, that you're putting in significantly more effort than you did in scumsman so I would give you props if nothing else

and that type of reasoning has burned me before in finding last scum (nancy in MD2 comes to mind) but I think sorting high-effort scum is just always a PITA but *often* it is much more effort than it's worth

I guess I would say in terms of NKA you're one of the players I can also see having a wide enough imagination to come up with 'a reason' to no kill but I still think the simpler answer is that you're *more likely* to just be town

really tho you're going to make me want to iso dive more people and it is too late tonight to do that so I'm going to have to force myself to peace out before my sleep schedule gets even more fucked lolol

Prism · Post Post #3219 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:38 pm

I mean that makes sense in that I was very intentionally targeting my posts in Scumsman at specific players, and in general trying to keep a much lower+neutral presence for multiple reasons (Exploit Alyssa's area of attention, let rest of town implode)

To be blunt though I am a scum specialist who constantly abuses their town meta and knowledge of other players' experiences with me.

That said, I also find the alignment completely intolerable, and I play to the level of the table. I completely abandoned Isis in Scumsman because the town was playing like absolute trash and my own arrogance told me it wasn't even worth playing. That's an awful attitude to have, but it was mine.

Prism · Post Post #3220 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:41 pm

Part of the reason I almost replaced and siteflaked was I'd been telling myself it was only scum I found intolerable, but the evidence was instead pointing at me finding the entire game intolerable.

But since I kicked onto overdrive this hasn't been so bad. Maybe it's that I just can't stand anything less than 110%.

Either way I have more important things to think on atm

Krazy · Post Post #3221 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:44 pm

Oh no I'm consistently reminded that this game very closely borders on unplayable. Actually I just finished grading a student paper arguing that mafia is a game where it's actually impossible to formulate a coherent strategy going into the game. I was like... I want to disagree, but statistically there may be more truth to that than I'd like to admit

ACTUAL sleepytime now

Hectic · Post Post #3222 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:22 am

Nah, if you believe in the heart of the cards and the power of friendship, ANYTHING is possible in mafia, really.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3223 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:56 am

In post 3203, Hectic wrote:Why didn't you ever vote for Ele on D1, Pooky? You shaded him a lot, enough to even say he was exactly
Chara
, but never voted him until deadline beckoned.

If I knew 100% he was scum I would've voted him much earlier for the town-cred.

Also you should note that I did not vote anyone else on d1 either so it's not like I was pushing another wagon and then decided to hop onto Elements when it got to deadline.

My one and only vote on D1 is for a bad guy - one that I had pushed as scum as soon as I stopped pushing for spares coming out of the spare discussion.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3224 (ISO) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:58 am

Hectic,

Why did you let Puppy get away on D2 with saying that he never scumread you? :3