Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[TiphaineDeath]

WOW do I hate the timing on that pook post.

Ok, DGB or dave, cause you two are like the only people I really trust right now, tell me I'm crazy here if you think I'm crazy. Does Pooky's #2524 not feel like cheeky as fuck scum, who does not have Chk as a buddy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm always cheeky tho

[DrippingGoofball]

WOW do I hate the timing on that pook post.

Ok, DGB or dave, cause you two are like the only people I really trust right now, tell me I'm crazy here if you think I'm crazy. Does Pooky's #2524 not feel like cheeky as fuck scum, who does not have Chk as a buddy?

I don't really I understand what Pooky is saying with that post.

[TiphaineDeath]

Humbug.

[Galron]

WOW do I hate the timing on that pook post.

Ok, DGB or dave, cause you two are like the only people I really trust right now, tell me I'm crazy here if you think I'm crazy. Does Pooky's #2524 not feel like cheeky as fuck scum, who does not have Chk as a buddy?

Not directed at me, but you could just as easily be running into confbias the way it's been in your head that they're partners the last couple of days. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but to explore your premise a bit, you are wiling to accept the possibility chk/NPOM could be TvT (2091), but not chk/pooky.

In fact, you go from having chk scum in 2087 and 2091 to Pooky pushing you a bit on it because he was questioning chk & IKS being of the same alignment and then Pooky's scum. You go from 2302 being a light defense of chk by pooky (2307) to chk/pooky making more sense than NPOM (2349) to it being most likely that chk and pooky are scum (2429 and 2430) and then you don't need a case, you just sit back on the "soft defense" of chk by pooky (2434). It's weird because you have a progression there, but it's not a progression based on substance, and you admit that it's not based on anything.

Then big double-take, NPOM slinks by and all of a sudden he's scum claimed and down goes your vote (2463 and 2470).

[Galron]

Shrug, this is true, but it comes more from experience playing with you than alignment analysis I feel. People can change their playstyle within the same alignment and I feel that's probably the case here.

That being said, this and 2447 really do contradict.

[TiphaineDeath]

I 180 a lot, it's true, but the last thing I said, galron, was that pooky's post made me think he was scum and chk was town actually.

It's based on my reads on a couple of specific posts, what else can anything be based on?

[TiphaineDeath]

Also, THANK YOU! can we vote him now?

[Iecerint]

Still waiting on NPOM's last reads.

[a2rudeboy]

So. NPOM outta nowhere comes up with good content, spreading it out, causing people to pause their actions and wait for what has been promised (side note: Looker has also done this), And then he ramps back up to shithousery. Yeah, this slot is acting exactly how I thought it would.

chk- i read that scumthread. you seemed REALLY intent on wanting to get titus out of there so she didn't make it to endgame. i'm not SR you yet, but this made me think.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont see how 2302 is a defense of chk

i think i've been fairly consistent on wanting to flip npom and the stated reasons why

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck, All I'm going to say in regards to your last post on me is that I have gotten into MANY arguments about the effectiveness and town-ness of my playstyle before, when I am both town and scum, and at this point in my life I don't find it to be interesting, engaging, or conducive to basically anything useful, and therefore will basically always decline to engage when challenged on it. Sorry friend.

I'm asking you to further explain your thoughts on what's going on in the game, not the effectiveness/townness of your playstyle. So I don't understand this response. You're going to purposefully not engage with me when I'm asking you to explain your thought process.

"Sorry friend" that's a shitty response.

[TiphaineDeath]

I feel I have already sufficiently explained my thought process, and further discussion is getting into gameplay decisions, which I am not interested in. *Shrugs*

[Starbuck]

NPOM is pretty new still, right? Because the more I read his posts and the more he goes off on ridiculous tangentss (like the whole thing about replacements and this Pooky band thing), the more he reads as null or just real noobtown to me. No experienced players would be focused on these things.

I agree with that, but still I keep swinging on my read of the slot.

Same. Unfortunately.

WOW do I hate the timing on that pook post.

Ok, DGB or dave, cause you two are like the only people I really trust right now, tell me I'm crazy here if you think I'm crazy. Does Pooky's #2524 not feel like cheeky as fuck scum, who does not have Chk as a buddy?

Not directed at me, but you could just as easily be running into confbias the way it's been in your head that they're partners the last couple of days. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but to explore your premise a bit, you are wiling to accept the possibility chk/NPOM could be TvT (2091), but not chk/pooky.

In fact, you go from having chk scum in 2087 and 2091 to Pooky pushing you a bit on it because he was questioning chk & IKS being of the same alignment and then Pooky's scum. You go from 2302 being a light defense of chk by pooky (2307) to chk/pooky making more sense than NPOM (2349) to it being most likely that chk and pooky are scum (2429 and 2430) and then you don't need a case, you just sit back on the "soft defense" of chk by pooky (2434). It's weird because you have a progression there, but it's not a progression based on substance, and you admit that it's not based on anything.

Then big double-take, NPOM slinks by and all of a sudden he's scum claimed and down goes your vote (2463 and 2470).

And this is what I was trying to explore with my post on the last page but he can't fucking talk to me about it and would rather make excuses about "not wanting to defend his playstyle" than explain his thoughts.

Hoping you get a "but I don't argue my playstyle" response, too.

[Starbuck]

Also, THANK YOU! can we vote him now?

Nah, I'm more interested in the link between you and Looker, who's elimination that you're working to distract from.

[davesaz]

So. NPOM outta nowhere comes up with good content, spreading it out, causing people to pause their actions and wait for what has been promised (side note: Looker has also done this), And then he ramps back up to shithousery. Yeah, this slot is acting exactly how I thought it would.

Well, yeah. Sometimes things posted by scum are worthwhile anyway. You can thresh out the wifom and misdirection and what is left (or what is not left) becomes kernels of truth.
Plenty of days left and we just need to remember our focus and not get distracted by shinies that happen to pass by.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Read List Part 4
Starbuck
*Purposefully uses non attention tracking lanugage.
*Says people should be allowed to sort Leia's replacement.
*Defends ice against Gamma.
*Wants to shred Galron or NPOM.
*Says NPOM is "trying to sow confusion and doubt."
SR: NPOM TR Iecerint
Vote: NPOM, Galron, Galron, NPOM, IKS, NPOM, Looker
My read: Very careful on word choice and not to rock the boat. Mild town.

a2rudeboy
*Asks NPOM about role flavor, then asks players to unvote NPOM.
*Asks Looker about role flavor, also TD.
*Unvotes when not necessary.
Vote: Walter, DGB, A50, DGB, Pooky, Leia, Bambi, TD, Gamma, A50, Dave, IKS, Lav, Nono, Looker, A50, Galron, Lav
Votep2: Lav,
My Read: Hyper voter and poster, creates good content, like his reads, is correct about role flavor. Strong town.

Davesez/PrincessLeia
*Replaces Leia, who was kind of an all over the place player.
*Doesn't think short posts are indicative of alignment.
*Analyzes D1 wagons.
TR: A50 SR: Bambi, Looker
Vote: Galron, IKS, Looker
My read: Very analytical and doesn't follow prejudices of the crowd. Quite the opposite of his predecessor.
Town.

chkflip
*Doesn't like Bambi thinking something will keep her alive.
*Says todays wagons are "dogshit".
*Criticizes Drew's vote progressions
SR: Piss, Looker TR: Rude, NPOM, Lav
Vote: Titus, Drew, NPOM, Looker
My read: Uses very abrasive language. Doesn't go for the LHF. Good reads. Content generator. Town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't like bringing this up but I am autistic and that may have something to do with how I come across in my interactions.

[TiphaineDeath]

.....cause if I was a scum buddy trying to distract from looker I would TOTALLY go to chk and say "hey mate, what do you think of voting looker today and if he flips scum I'll hardclear you and pooky." That makes total sense right starbuck? Right?

Jesus, I thought you were one of the smart ones.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you shouldn't be mean TD- it doesn't look good regardless of alignment

[TiphaineDeath]

Yeah, that's kind of hypocritical of me given the rest of this game. Sorry Starbuck, I go 0-100 way to quick sometimes .

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

good guy TD

[Iecerint]

I don't like bringing this up but I am autistic and that may have something to do with how I come across in my interactions.

This does make me think about some of your posts differently, namely your behavior way back on page 4-5 that made me suspicious of you in the first place (i.e., your "RVS is evil" post). It also helps me understand the digression about whether it is appropriate for players to expresses wishes about replacements. But, I don't think it accounts for other stuff, including the pattern that Rudeboy described. Rudeboy seems to say that your roleflavor accounts for it, and you seem to townread him for saying so. But, I don't think you're town with a post restriction. So, I have a hard time understanding the dynamic between the two of you.

I am explaining this because I want to understand the motivation for your behaviors more clearly and also make clear my own stuck points.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Rude and I have the same role flavor. Rude asked me some questions to confirm it and I did. So now we are just trying to determine if we are both town or not, which I am leaning towards yes.

[chkflip]

Why're you ignoring me, Goof?

Anyone else notice Looker has disappeared when his wagon got real?

Not a coincidence.