Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Hectic]

Pooky is so good at emotional manipulation $_$, this would be so much more effective on me if I didn't moderate Menagerie. But it does mean I'll feel extra terrible if you flip town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think you'd feel terrible because you're not good here.

I would genuinely feel bad if you flipped town tho, you don't understand what you mean to me.

It'd be like killing half of myself.

[Hectic]

This is what I mean!!!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But Pooky, the point of that aspect of the case isn't that OMGUS is scummy, it's that you seemed to be in a mindset of "I'm not going to vote Hectic because I'd feel bad" but then inexplicably changed your mind and started realy gunning for me even though attention was on Lav/Tayl0r after I sussed you which I find is unlikely from town!you, and so believe there's more nefarious motives.

That's isn't the crux of my case though btw, I feel more confident in the Ele association things than this whole thing.

I voted you in 2564- 30 posts before you suspected me in 2595 - your timeline is wrong - your chain of causality is wrong.

It does comfort me though, because if you actually are town here then you truly do believe you suspected me before I suspected you and hence my actions were not the cause of you MLing me and that makes me feel a bit better about you MLing me if you're town here.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

2392 is where I first outlined my bottom reads

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2392 is where I first outlined my bottom reads

even if we are considering that post to be where you sus-pooled me, it's still after I started coming after you and after I voted you.

So I really don't see how you can have a case on me where I push you for Sus-Pooling me when the order of events is the opposite.

Unless you think I'm a time traveler?

:3

[Hectic]

You were actively voicing paranoia on me but reiterating you didn't want to vote me and that you were almost convinced by my Krazy-slot suspicions. So again, the important part is that I don't think you reverse on that thinking unless there's an ulterior motive for it, my theory being because I was the only person to be sus of you :4

But this is only a third of the case! I think the way you treated Ele on day 1 is more damning.

[Hectic]

I also simply don't believe that you think I had any chance of being

Chara

there. Others were sus of me but it was obvious to them I just wan't ChAra, but you pushed me anyway. If you really value my scum play so highly, you wouldn't assume scum!Hectic would make such a game throwing play of hard bussing a scum buddy on D1.

[Hectic]

*ChAra!Hectic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You were actively voicing paranoia on me but reiterating you didn't want to vote me and that you were almost convinced by my Krazy-slot suspicions. So again, the important part is that I don't think you reverse on that thinking unless there's an ulterior motive for it, my theory being because I was the only person to be sus of you :4

2564 is where I voted you - which is again 30 posts before you scum-pooled me. before 2564 I had many many posts suspecting you - all of them coming BEFORE you scum-pooled me. So your case that I was suspicious of you and voted you because you scumpooled me is just wrong because I am the one who was suspicious of you first.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But this is only a third of the case! I think the way you treated Ele on day 1 is more damning.

I think it's very convenient that you said my interactions with Elements showed me to be an innocent child in 1081 but now that I'm coming after you, my interactions with Elements are suddenly very damning - a complete flip from your previous position.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also simply don't believe that you think I had any chance of being

Chara

there. Others were sus of me but it was obvious to them I just wan't ChAra, but you pushed me anyway. If you really value my scum play so highly, you wouldn't assume scum!Hectic would make such a game throwing play of hard bussing a scum buddy on D1.

Then you clearly don't understand how much respect I have for your scum-range.

[Tanner]

glorified prodge, weird day for me, is 3am, i'll be useful tomorrow

i thought both pooky/hectic town. consensus seems to be going pooky not town. idgi.

also (i think???) tweet said krazy is obvtowning rn so a tldr on that would be nice kthx

[Hectic]

innocent child

[Hectic]

I think it's very convenient that you said my interactions with Elements

Those pocketing interactions were completely different to the ones with Ele I focused on in my case. The "child" thing is thematic which you can probably gather from my last post, I wasn't talking about the role!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so even if you weren't specifically talking about the innocent child role, 1081 makes it pretty clear that you think I am innocent based on the Ele/Pooky interactions.

Now that you want to push me suddenly the ele/pooky interactions are implying the complete opposite!?

[Hectic]

Mhm, I found stuff that I glossed over earlier overnight, and was already changed my mind on my overall read on you mid to late D2.

I'm Sonic, Pooky. Can't expect me to be static with my opinions.

[Hectic]

I'm word salading, I should sleep. Enjoy your small umbrella and/or Isis's pocket you magical stuffing :]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

good night sweet pea, I know it's not your fault. :3

[Lavender]

This game has all sorts of weird pairings come to think of it

Me/Chara as doomed lovers, my trust issues fated to turn Chara cold and distant, its only coping mechanism as admiration turns to disillusionment
Pooky/Hectic, soul masons gone wrong
Tanner/Lavender, the nonbeliever turned prophet of the god/goddess

catboi doesn't get anybody he's a huge loser who died alone

Pfffft~~~
(≧▽≦)

Ahem, I’ll be honest and say I did not read the Pooky/Hectic

lovers fight

Debate that occurred.

But hey Hectic why did you want this one dead over Taylor last day, made me sad (｡ ́︿ ̀｡)

[Hectic]

I was sure Tayl0r was town! Even more than my confidence in you being town (*/_＼)

It's okay. You're now some kind of diety and I've been hard at working constructing a shrine for you (☆▽☆)

(Clarification: the symbols aren't the shrine, they're just expressing my joy at such an event)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's kind of hard for me to see if I addressed each part of Hectic's case against me adequately so if a neutral observer could let me know if something is lacking I can address your concerns.

I'd like to avoid repeating too much into the thread.

[Hectic]

You addressed my motivation for making the first two thirds (the Ele association stuff), but not the points themselves

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think if people read my ISO with regards to ele they can see that as soon as I stop pushing for spares I go after him and he omguses me back - I know I didn't vote him explicitly but that's because I did not vote anyone at all until later in the day - I did not really vote somewhere else and push a different counter-wagon.

I shade him multiple times but I don't vote for him because I've been trying to keep a more open mind in my play - in 960 I led a D1 ML that I never quite got clean of, I have a lot of regrets about how I played that game and I've been doing my best to adjust my play to be less aggressive/tunnelly and be more fair and open-minded.