Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.016
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	Nosferatu	EL-6	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	PenguinPower, Fun and Games, Ydrasse, I Keep Siteflaking	EL-3	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, JohnnyFarrar, CreativeMod1, Albert B. Rampage	EL-2	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
JohnnyFarrar	Bingle	EL-6	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	Pine
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: bop bop bop, bop to the pagetop! pagetops: Lilith 16 | penguin 9 | cm1 2 | ABR 2 | gamma 2 | johnnyf 2 | gb 1 | fun & games 1 | nosferatu 1

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez tunneled me in one of our games and I vigged him. We were both town. I had all the scum pegged and we were going to lynch them all but the scum had a win condition that didn't require having majority.

Are you drawing any conclusions about his alignment here from this?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think he's town.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Let's talk potential night targets ally. I don't wanna narrow it down too much, because I don't want to risk a block or something, but I don't wanna get blindsided either.

Also, did you attack someone yesterday?

Like I've been saying all day, I'm taking suggestions. It's a waste if I use my attack on someone who everyone agrees is scum and we will lynch anyway.

No, I went to the gym so I could explore and find a weapon + attack tonight.

Let penguin and pine catch up, but {IKS, F&G, Bingle}

[Gamma Emerald]

Pine very likely won’t catch up, at least today

[Gamma Emerald]

First, despite all of my attempts to use your roleclaim to find out, you remain adamant that you don't know what roll scum need to activate a lab. I would wager, in fact, that activating a lab is comparatively easy to destroying one, because in a game without nightkills scum is going to need some serious advantages. Your mechanical argument for Pine scum is a very weak case, yet it's seen a disproportionate amount of support.

Second, can you provide instances of Pine town apologizing for not being around in the early game? I don't think I've ever seen that happen.

Third, Careers almost assuredly don't flip given the mod information that everyone has a career and the fact that GB didn't flip with a career, just as a test subject.

Fourth, if you can destroy labs and act normally at night, why didn't you attempt to destroy a lab on N0? There should have been no drawback to attempting given it would have been a free action and it's public knowledge that labs get harder to destroy when they're active, something I doubt you wouldn't have read with a role about destroying labs. If you can guarantee a lab's destruction (you more or less softed that with 792 and 827), then guaranteeing a lab's destruction early on for free is exactly equal to guaranteeing a lab's destruction late game for free, with the added benefit of it not risking you dying before you manage it.

1 I've already answered that I don't know because the mod won't tell me, it isn't part of the role info and when I asked I was told it was scum-exclusive information, which I already said, so don't get pissy when you are the one who missed my post. 2 the key instance I'm remembering is Civ 5 mafia, run by Venmar. He was having trouble keeping up with the game and was very upfront and morose about it. Compare that to Pokemon Ruby mafia, a game where he was inactive as scum, and didn't display such an apologistic tendency. And "early game" has nothing to do with it, he replaced into Civ 5 mafia at the midpoint. 3 I honestly should have put that together myself, sorry. 4 I wanted more knowledge before I did that, so I explored in hopes of boosting my knowledge though some method. My ability to destroy labs outside of the speed stat isn't an infinite use action, there's a cap on it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Aw shid I knew that.

then why'd you have to ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a vig, better than even chances to one-shot a 3-3-3 player, if I get a weapon it becomes almost certain to one-shot them unless they roll perfectly.

I'm curious about this because you either need a ton of dice or some flat amount of damage dealt in order to ensure such a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.

No one really suggested this?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Aw shid I knew that.

then why'd you have to ask?

More like a "oh I remember now"

[Gamma Emerald]

fair enough

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm a vig, better than even chances to one-shot a 3-3-3 player, if I get a weapon it becomes almost certain to one-shot them unless they roll perfectly.

I'm curious about this because you either need a ton of dice or some flat amount of damage dealt in order to ensure such a thing

I rather not answer in case scum have a counter.

[Gamma Emerald]

fair enough, I just felt like putting out my thought process there

[PenguinPower]

I think Pine is a fine elim for today pending his catch-up. Would also elim Bingle.

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

The real travesty of my Vla is the page tops I lost.

[JohnnyFarrar]

And I didn't even try!

[Fun and Games]

There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.

The reason I wanted to know is because the scum have a factional attack that any of them could use.

Spoiler:

DOCTORS do not have a factional nightkill. Instead, DOCTORS have an additional factional attack they can use once per Night (in addition to their personal actions) by nominating one of the DOCTORS to perform the attack. The attack counts as an additional action for that DOCTOR and the nominated DOCTOR can use any stat modifications, abilities, etc. in their possession on this attack in addition to any personal attacks made.

If you are a powered attacker or w/e - it would make sense for you to be the one using the cloaked scum factional attack and it would not make sense for you to reveal it.

Furthermore because we know the scum factional attacker did damage to Gamma and it was only 1 point of damage - it would rule you out as the attacker if your special ability is some kind of damage multiplier.

Secondly Gamma knows the roll info of the scum attacker - so if you have some kind of +dice or +roll advantage built into your attack, Gamma's knowledge might also rule you out as the attacker in question if the scum roll was low etc.

[Gamma Emerald]

@lilith would the factional attack action be able to be affected by a scum's personal stats? Is the attack stat of the scum factional attack fixed?

[lilith2013]

@lilith would the factional attack action be able to be affected by a scum's personal stats? Is the attack stat of the scum factional attack fixed?

Please refer to the following factional DOCTOR information in post 7:

The [factional] attack counts as an additional action for that DOCTOR and the nominated DOCTOR can use any stat modifications, abilities, etc. in their possession on this attack in addition to any personal attacks made.

The DOCTOR making the factional attack would use their personal attack stat and could apply any personal abilities to which they have access to said factional attack.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.

The reason I wanted to know is because the scum have a factional attack that any of them could use.

Spoiler:

DOCTORS do not have a factional nightkill. Instead, DOCTORS have an additional factional attack they can use once per Night (in addition to their personal actions) by nominating one of the DOCTORS to perform the attack. The attack counts as an additional action for that DOCTOR and the nominated DOCTOR can use any stat modifications, abilities, etc. in their possession on this attack in addition to any personal attacks made.

If you are a powered attacker or w/e - it would make sense for you to be the one using the cloaked scum factional attack and it would not make sense for you to reveal it.

Furthermore because we know the scum factional attacker did damage to Gamma and it was only 1 point of damage - it would rule you out as the attacker if your special ability is some kind of damage multiplier.

Secondly Gamma knows the roll info of the scum attacker - so if you have some kind of +dice or +roll advantage built into your attack, Gamma's knowledge might also rule you out as the attacker in question if the scum roll was low etc.

Well thought out. Kudos.

[JohnnyFarrar]

That certainly is a reaction.

[Ydrasse]

...i really hope f+g is town like i think they are otherwise i am gonna feel like a lost lamb.

[SirCakez]

...i really hope f+g is town like i think they are otherwise i am gonna feel like a lost lamb.

this

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wouldn't take that to the bank.

[lilith2013]

boop