Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Starbuck]

I would much rather Looker actually quote the stuff being commented on. Having to click the link to connect it to the point being made is not cool. I think it's a scum tactic to keep people from verifying whether the observation is even valid.

It's NAI. He does it all the time. It seems.

[Gamma Emerald]

I won't be voting Looker but I won't oppose it as long as it's the leading wagon like this.

So hypothetically we fast forward 8 days plus time to replacement, we get a no-elim from you?

If Looker was still the leading wagon at

that

point with no changes at all to how things are now, I'd vote him then because the flip would at least tell me whether I've have my head in my ass today. But there's no realistic chance of that happening, if the day goes on that long it's because the topic will have changed.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Spoiler:

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[NoPowerOverMe]

Galron

Spoiler:

*Was one of the first to vote IKS. "Out of the gate scummy"
*Criticized Lookers read list early day 1.
*Said he wasn't on NPOM due to rude. Then voted NPOM.
TR: a2, Ice, piss, npom, chk
Votes: IKS, Walter, NPOM, Walter
My Read: Solid Town. Not making rash judgements.

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler:

*Voted NPOM(sheeping Leia)
*Said TD scumslipped
*Frequent poster
SR: Chkflip TR: Town
Votes: NPOM, Pooky, TD, IKS, piss, IKS, chk, NPOM, Lavender
My Read: Fairly transparent, Flip Floppy Town Lean

DrippingGoofball

Spoiler:

*Pushed IKS wagon, then switched to NPOM
*Upset about NPOS not claiming
*Posted a "kill list" with Titus' name on it then she died.
*Accused NPOM of scumslipping
TR: Titus, TD, piss, Looker SR: Leia, rude, A50
Votes: Drew, Leia, IKS, Walter, NPOM
My Read: Moved the wrong direction on the IKS wagon, reads are bad. Titus' death is bad. Solid Scum.

PookytheMagicalBear

Spoiler:

*throws out scumpoints like pennies.
*claims band leader, recruited DGB, Lav, Fish, Drew, and Leia into band
*Votes don't really have a logical flow in my opinion, lots of naked votes
*Says IKS/NPOM not likely both scum is a logical fallacy
SR: TD, NPOM TR: Gamma
Vote: Drew, NPOM, TD, NPOM, Dr Drew, NPOM, Pisskop, NPOM
My read: not thrilled with his willingness to change votes but a light town read right now.

Lavender

Spoiler:

*Uses lots of emojis
*Says contributing is "hard".
TR: Galron, TD, Gamma, Walter SR: Looker
Vote: NPOM, Looker
My Read: Not the best grammar, but they seem to be cognitavally transparent. Mild Town.

Bambi Jay

Spoiler:

*Asks A50 to tell him his role.
*Doesn't like lurkers
*Saves energy for day 2.
*Worried about naked voting.
*Posts infrequently.
TR: Starbuck
Vote: Leia, IKS, Galron, IKS, NPOM
My Read: Probably town by POE.

TiphaneDeath

Spoiler:

*Against quick wagons
*Says a lot without actually taking firm positions.
*Dave vs. Chk is not svs
SR: NPOM, Leia, Dave, TR: Pooky, Gamma, Pooky
Vote: Titus, Bambi, NPOM, Bambi, NPOM, Pooky, Leia, NPOM, IKS, Chk, NPOM, chk
My read: Seems to be fence sitting except with regards to me. Would like more fluffless content. Null.

WaltertheDunce

Spoiler:

*Accuses TD of not contributing but not a great contributer himself.
*Has role known by others(role flavor)
*Doesn't like ice's read list.
*Think most wagons have been "shit."
TR: Gamma, TD SR: Galron, Bambi
Vote: DGB, IKS, Galron, Bambi, IKS, chk, NPOM, IKS
My read: Pretty towny overall

BrightEyedFish

Spoiler:

*Agrees with rude on NPOM flavor.
*Confirmed band invite.
TR: Rude, A50, NPOM, Gamma, Looker, pisskop, Starbuck SR: dave, Walter
Vote: TD, Starbuck, TD, IKS, Walter
My read: not a lot of posts but those posts he does make are heavy content. Like his reads. Strong town.

Read List Part 3

Almost50

Spoiler:

*Says "he knows" drew is 3P for voting IKS
*Likes to comment on others reads rather than have reads himself
*Trusts rude on NPOM
*Says NPOM is town mindset
TR: Rude
Vote: Galon, IKS
My Read: Talks to a lot of different players. Doesn't vote often or give reads. Seems town for now.

pisskop

Spoiler:

*Asks a lot of mechanical questions
*Townread NPOM Wagon
*Pressed NPOM on if his claim would lead to his elimination
*Role is stylized.
*Says NPOM ways not a policy elimination.
Vote: Leia, IKS, TD, Drew, Walter, NPOM, IKS, Walter, Lavender
SR: TD, Bambi, Walter, Dave, TR: Gamma, rude, Dave
My Read: Lots of dialogue and lots of stances. Probably town.

Looker:

Spoiler:

*Dislikes NPOM's self vote
*Likes to insult people
*Very confrontational
TR: Gamma
Vote: Titus, looker, Drew, TD, Dave, A50, Walter, Lav, TD, NPOM, Walter
My Read: Seems to be extremely agressive and likes LHF. Scum.

Iecerint

Spoiler:

*Made a readlist early in the first day. It looks better now than it did initially.
*Stayed on the NPOM wagon and was reluctant to switch to IKC.
*Keeps on jester speculating for no reason.
*Was very reactionary to my push on him.
TR: Galron, Piss, Starbuck SR: NPOM/IKS/Walter
Vote: NPOM
TR: Leia
My read: Not really scumhunting. No ability to adjust to game state. Scum.

Doctor Drew

Spoiler:

*Likes sheeping Titus.
*Says NPOM is "superficially scummy." and that he shouldn't be lynched, then hard pushes him.
*Criticized Chk for defending IKS
*I criticized Goof, Ice and Drew for not sorting and he said I was only "saying how townie I thought I was."
*Says he doesn't like LAL(lynch a lurker I assume)
SR: Leia, Dave TR: Starbuck, Looker
Vote: DGB, IKS, Leia, IKS, Nono, IKS, NPOM, Lavender
My read: I don't like his read progressions and he seems very willing to flip flop. Leaning scum.

Read List Part 4
Starbuck

Spoiler:

*Purposefully uses non attention tracking lanugage.
*Says people should be allowed to sort Leia's replacement.
*Defends ice against Gamma.
*Wants to shred Galron or NPOM.
*Says NPOM is "trying to sow confusion and doubt."
SR: NPOM TR Iecerint
Vote: NPOM, Galron, Galron, NPOM, IKS, NPOM, Looker
My read: Very careful on word choice and not to rock the boat. Mild town.

a2rudeboy

Spoiler:

*Asks NPOM about role flavor, then asks players to unvote NPOM.
*Asks Looker about role flavor, also TD.
*Unvotes when not necessary.
Vote: Walter, DGB, A50, DGB, Pooky, Leia, Bambi, TD, Gamma, A50, Dave, IKS, Lav, Nono, Looker, A50, Galron, Lav
Votep2: Lav,
My Read: Hyper voter and poster, creates good content, like his reads, is correct about role flavor. Strong town.

Davesez/PrincessLeia

Spoiler:

*Replaces Leia, who was kind of an all over the place player.
*Doesn't think short posts are indicative of alignment.
*Analyzes D1 wagons.
TR: A50 SR: Bambi, Looker
Vote: Galron, IKS, Looker
My read: Very analytical and doesn't follow prejudices of the crowd. Quite the opposite of his predecessor.
Town.

chkflip

Spoiler:

*Doesn't like Bambi thinking something will keep her alive.
*Says todays wagons are "dogshit".
*Criticizes Drew's vote progressions
SR: Piss, Looker TR: Rude, NPOM, Lav
Vote: Titus, Drew, NPOM, Looker

[Galron]

Spoiler:

Wow, yeah, I feel real dumb right now. That must have just literally been a mis-type. red=green in that post starbuck Q_Q.

I was feeling really harassed and wondering why no one was understanding a word I was saying and mis-repping me all over the place when it all made perfect sense to me, and it's because I am apparently incapable of typing. Bleargh.

Still think Npom is scum tho.

To re-iterate, my line of thought was thus:

I believed CHK/NPOM to be very likely to be = in alignment. I believed Looker to very likely be the OTHER alignment. This made a lot more sense to me in the world where NPOM somehow=town. In the world where NPOM has gone back to being scum for being incapable of consistency in their posting I'm not sure WHAT I am doing with this, or really any of my other scum-reads any more, other than the fact that I don't like how we've completely ignored walter today.

It's good that no one is listening to me anyway right now because this is NOT my A game. I was late AF on IKS and have spent today flailing around pretty hard. Sorry fam, will try to step it up x_X.

This post confuses me. I'm not sure what's going on. I guess I need a simpler explanation.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not against TD. But I'm not going to abandon Looker the first opportinty that comes by. Still my top choice.

[Starbuck]

I'm not abandoning Looker for the first opportunity that comes by. I see your shade of me, but there is something going on with TD and I'd like to explore it since we have like 8 days left.

[Starbuck]

Spoiler:

Wow, yeah, I feel real dumb right now. That must have just literally been a mis-type. red=green in that post starbuck Q_Q.

I was feeling really harassed and wondering why no one was understanding a word I was saying and mis-repping me all over the place when it all made perfect sense to me, and it's because I am apparently incapable of typing. Bleargh.

Still think Npom is scum tho.

To re-iterate, my line of thought was thus:

I believed CHK/NPOM to be very likely to be = in alignment. I believed Looker to very likely be the OTHER alignment. This made a lot more sense to me in the world where NPOM somehow=town. In the world where NPOM has gone back to being scum for being incapable of consistency in their posting I'm not sure WHAT I am doing with this, or really any of my other scum-reads any more, other than the fact that I don't like how we've completely ignored walter today.

It's good that no one is listening to me anyway right now because this is NOT my A game. I was late AF on IKS and have spent today flailing around pretty hard. Sorry fam, will try to step it up x_X.

This post confuses me. I'm not sure what's going on. I guess I need a simpler explanation.

In 2418 where TD says "red," he's now saying here that he meant to say green. In regards to his reiteration, he is speaking of Chk and Pooky in 2418,

NOT

Chk and NPOM.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not abandoning Looker for the first opportunity that comes by. I see your shade of me, but there is something going on with TD and I'd like to explore it since we have like 8 days left.

Could you detail it a bit?

[TiphaineDeath]

I was not at that time paying attention to Npom.

Ok, I'm going to try to explain this one more time, then I'ma give up.

Pooks soft-defend on CHK(something I find much more suspiscious than hard-defending by default), and followup set of posts where they were very much acting in unison, in addition to my CHK scumread, made me think that pook/Chk were both scum.

Looker, however, was also on my radar, and not being particularly townie. I made an associative leap to Pook=CHK and neither=Looker, and wanted to probe there for more information as to which side I should be supporting. I was saying that is looker=scum I would hardclear Pook AND CHK and that if looker=town we should lynch there.

Then NPOM, who I have been after since the beginning of fucking time because he was been acting scummy in every possible way and I have not just hard-locked my vote onto ONLY because of rudebois wierd-ass mason-hinting, (Sorry rude, but like, it's obvious to anyone with two braincells that's what you are breadcrumbing at this point, I'm done beating around bushes on it), comes up and basically fucking scumclaims again with pure inconsistency in his read on A50.

Now I'm voting Npom.

And here we are.

[Starbuck]

I'm not abandoning Looker for the first opportunity that comes by. I see your shade of me, but there is something going on with TD and I'd like to explore it since we have like 8 days left.

Could you detail it a bit?

Simply, he keeps contradicting himself all over the place and can't keep his story/thoughts straight. Take a look at the back and forth over the past few pages to start.

For example, in 2418, he references Chk and Pooky, but then in a recent post NPOM was subbed into the Pooky spot.

He jumped all over me for asking for clarification of hardclearing Chk/Pooky (when I had misread because he meant himself and Chk), but now as of the post right below, he's talking about hardclearing Chk and Pooky.

Now, with his latest talk regarding NPOM, NPOM all of a sudden is shading me for following this train of thought on TD, which is coming off as a sorta white knight/defense of TD to me.

So maybe it's not Looker/TD link but a TD/NPOM link.

I'm not sure on any of this and would really appreciate some of y'all's insight.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I didn't even mention you Starbuck.

[Starbuck]

I didn't even mention you Starbuck.

But your timing was impeccable after I switched my vote to TD. You don't have to mention someone to shade them.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think you're being hypersensitive.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No shade was intended. I was discouraging votes away from Looker, not commenting on your switch to TD specifically. If you want to go after TD, go at it.

[Starbuck]

Not hypersensitive, but you should probably consider your words.

In any case, appreciate the clarification.

[TiphaineDeath]

Nah, you know what, fuckit. Lynch me if you want, I'm not gonna deal with this, it hurts to much to try to make you people understand. My vote is staying on NPOM, but I'm pretty much done talking for the day since no one listens anyway. Starbuck arguing me+NPOM might be the most illogical thing I have heard this entire game, honestly makes me think my gut-wierd feels about them might be right and Npom might be town, which would be FUCKING HILARIOUS.

Peace.

[Gamma Emerald]

looking at what TD has said, honestly I think starbucks push there kinda sux
Like yeah he hasn't been consistent but it doesn't make him scum, and it seems starbuck is pushing random angles against TD and seeing what sticks

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why are you getting upset over one vote? You think your play has been that impeccible?

[Starbuck]

My push could definitely suck. Hence, why I asked for some other POVs.

I haven't been pushing random angles, though. I asked him more than once for clarification and he obfuscated, then when he comes back, he's all over the place and gets upset over my vote on him. The ONLY vote on him.

Now, he's chock full of AtE to top it all off. Yeah, not really thinking my push sucked here.

[a2rudeboy]

(just a quick MeatWorld note:

I was placed on a 50/50 furlough this afternoon for the next 6 months. (basically, i have to do the work of two people one week, and file unemployment the next, so on etc) and, as such am wildly fluctuating in terms of mood from moment to moment. this may be reflected in my posting style, whether through tone or consistency.

that is all)

[a2rudeboy]

ONLY because of rudebois wierd-ass mason-hinting, (Sorry rude, but like, it's obvious to anyone with two braincells that's what you are breadcrumbing at this point, I'm done beating around bushes on it)

I am not mason-hinting.

[Gamma Emerald]

why the fuck would they make you do that, that just seems like a shitty work environment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nah, you know what, fuckit. Lynch me if you want, I'm not gonna deal with this, it hurts to much to try to make you people understand. My vote is staying on NPOM, but I'm pretty much done talking for the day since no one listens anyway. Starbuck arguing me+NPOM might be the most illogical thing I have heard this entire game, honestly makes me think my gut-wierd feels about them might be right and Npom might be town, which would be FUCKING HILARIOUS.

Peace.

um what?

why would you stay on npom if you think they are town :3

I'm sorry you feel upset and hope you can calm down and feel better :>

[chkflip]

Starbuck, 100% yes. Looker first please?