Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Chara]

re 3235 pooky's ele case was actually what reminded me why i was suspecting ele and what made me okay with his fight. fun.

damn it, Tanner, you're making me reconsider Pooky again.
is Pooky's extensive self-defense evidence that he's been carefully planning his actions all game to look town, and is now cashing in, or is it evidence of a genuine belief he should be townread and that we're fools for not seeing it with all of this evidence?

also i have to laugh at Tanner mindmeld-telling me as town, because i could just nod and move along but no i'm some kind of bastard that has to point out the tell doesn't work.

[Morning Tweet]

Re3345, prism I was sayng I would never no kill, I wasn't talking about concessions at all. As scum I would never force myself to play an extra day of the game

I agree, the thought of no-killing would never even cross my mind

w/e sit in the stupid town bucket until exlo and stay there

(to chara)

Yay!!!

[Prism]

Hectic also referenced something moderately mindmeldy iirc and I wanted to scream

Hectic and I had an opposite take on that section of Pooky/Ele by the way, third paragraph of this post. It's just a bit ironic if Pooky actually got Tanner to vote Ele with it.

[Chara]

Catboi kill after he voices suspicion based off of a 10 year friendship? Check
Protected the Chara Day 2? Check
Playing like the game is on the line Day 2? Check
Playing like they know it's going the distance despite overwhelmingly great odds? Check
Didn't think no kill was a misfight? Check

Conclusion: LOCK TOWN

with current site meta this is a rock-solid towncase.

[Tanner]

Hm, okay, I think a lot of the teams make some level of sense to me even if I ~think~ they're unlikely, can you maybe trace one line each for why?

ok so
why in my mind these people are not scum:

prism - ok so like idk they're putting in a lot of effort and stuff. their thoughts for the most part make sense to me. to be fair i have some Lingering Fears they might be a deepwolf but i'm actually just praying they get killed/copped by lylo.
tweet - i think she shares a similar feeling to playing scum that i do, which is "oh god get me THE FUCK outta here." and i really don't see her voting there at EoD. also hectic townreading her is interesting because since one scum remaining we can trust strong townreads more than before.
lavender - voting at EoD less conclusive than with tweet, but idk. coupled with hectic's read and what i said about them in my previous post, i don't think they're scum.
pooky - i had the front-row tickets to this teddy *obliterating* the town of coalition. and like. he didn't seem forceful here. he tried to go for spares. didn't work. ok cool he's just gonna chill. idfk it didn't look like scum.
hectic - man i do NOT know how to read hectic. but like. i was rereading his iso for launchy after day two flip and like. i FELT that. (note: i need to relook his reasons for pushing me day two take this with a grain of salt)
chara - bruh idfk prism is smarter than me. this slot is towny on its own but i think they're one of those people i'd be townreading regardless of their alingment so i'm trying to sheep someone who probably? maybe? knows better about them

and with krazy i just... don't have anything? yet???

[Prism]

bruh idfk prism is smarter than me.

bruh

what

you have literally corrected me on the ruleset at least 4 times now LMAO

[Tanner]

also i have to laugh at Tanner mindmeld-telling me as town, because i could just nod and move along but no i'm some kind of bastard that has to point out the tell doesn't work.

chara i am pretending to know how to play this game please don't call me out like this

pedit: prism i meant like "mafia" smart not "knows how to read rules" smart
like a dumbass program can go through if x else y rules such as the rules of this game
also ability to retain information does not make one smart

[Prism]

we're all just a big pile of dumbasses locked in a 170 page forum thread together

[Tanner]

cheers i'll drink to that

[Chara]

Hm, okay, I think a lot of the teams make some level of sense to me even if I ~think~ they're unlikely, can you maybe trace one line each for why?

ok so
why in my mind these people are not scum:

prism - ok so like idk they're putting in a lot of effort and stuff. their thoughts for the most part make sense to me. to be fair i have some Lingering Fears they might be a deepwolf but i'm actually just praying they get killed/copped by lylo.
tweet - i think she shares a similar feeling to playing scum that i do, which is "oh god get me THE FUCK outta here." and i really don't see her voting there at EoD. also hectic townreading her is interesting because since one scum remaining we can trust strong townreads more than before.
lavender - voting at EoD less conclusive than with tweet, but idk. coupled with hectic's read and what i said about them in my previous post, i don't think they're scum.
pooky - i had the front-row tickets to this teddy *obliterating* the town of coalition. and like. he didn't seem forceful here. he tried to go for spares. didn't work. ok cool he's just gonna chill. idfk it didn't look like scum.
hectic - man i do NOT know how to read hectic. but like. i was rereading his iso for launchy after day two flip and like. i FELT that. (note: i need to relook his reasons for pushing me day two take this with a grain of salt)
chara - bruh idfk prism is smarter than me. this slot is towny on its own but i think they're one of those people i'd be townreading regardless of their alingment so i'm trying to sheep someone who probably? maybe? knows better about them

and with krazy i just... don't have anything? yet???

well the Tanner paranoia is gone, if it comes back later would someone please spray me with a water bottle and direct me to my own words? thank you.

also: you're both very smart. if we're having a dumbass contest i'm going to win it.

pedit: okay yes that's fine.

[Prism]

chara is just super annoying to try and read for alignment because they absolutely excel at tone and reacting genuinely/emotionally to things in the moment as scum

simultaneously this game the biggest reasons they're town are for reacting to things in the heat of the moment, eg. one clear example is that the hectic frenzy vote over following me on taylor looks much better in hindsight

they also love to ingratiate themselves with people through several different means, from overt flirtation/friendliness to more subtle alignment of thought

this is why i need HELP and WHY I HAVE TRUST ISSUES

[Prism]

"170 pages"

it's 137

my point is made

[Morning Tweet]

Pooky reminds me of Menagerie a littl bit

Granted, he got screwed in that game. But essentially, he was scum inside of a gladiate with Isis. He had to push her in order to stay alive. Instead, he did the WIFOMy "We're both town, this is tragic, oh no which one of us should live?" sort of angle.

Isis got enough heat from ppl where she like 10% considered voting herself at one point. pooky ultimately died but everyone in the thread was convinced he was town

i guess what reminds me of that is how Pooky is suggesting we eliminate him repeatedly in this game. It seeeems like a losing play -- just like the no kill does. But maybe doing something ridiculous is all scum has at this point, idk

Seriously, who here would even think about no killing?

Other than Lavender who probably forgot to submit

[Prism]

What about that post cleared it for you, Chara?

[Chara]

I'M SORRY I HAVE AN INDESCRIBABLE NEED TO BE LIKED

[Tanner]

well the Tanner paranoia is gone, if it comes back later would someone please spray me with a water bottle and direct me to my own words? thank you.

chara i appreciate this but how does that help with the feelings that my puppy push was tmi

[Morning Tweet]

chara is just super annoying to try and read for alignment because they absolutely excel at tone and reacting genuinely/emotionally to things in the moment as scum

simultaneously this game the biggest reasons they're town are for reacting to things in the heat of the moment, eg. one clear example is that the hectic frenzy vote over following me on taylor looks much better in hindsight

they also love to ingratiate themselves with people through several different means, from overt flirtation/friendliness to more subtle alignment of thought

this is why i need HELP and WHY I HAVE TRUST ISSUES

I may be incredibly weak to tone and emotionally reacting to things. but

im not gonna let myself become consumed with paranoia. It probably helps that i haven't witnessed Chara as scum before

[Prism]

Pooky reminds me of Menagerie a littl bit

Granted, he got screwed in that game. But essentially, he was scum inside of a gladiate with Isis. He had to push her in order to stay alive. Instead, he did the WIFOMy "We're both town, this is tragic, oh no which one of us should live?" sort of angle.

Isis got enough heat from ppl where she like 10% considered voting herself at one point. pooky ultimately died but everyone in the thread was convinced he was town

i guess what reminds me of that is how Pooky is suggesting we eliminate him repeatedly in this game. It seeeems like a losing play -- just like the no kill does. But maybe doing something ridiculous is all scum has at this point, idk

Seriously, who here would even think about no killing?

Other than Lavender who probably forgot to submit

I mean I totally see this type of WIFOM happening as scum, it's pretty run of the mill imo

When I reread I'm going to try to focus later on more tracking progressions/guessing at how legitimate the reads themselves are.

FWIW I think even Lavender kills here. They knew night had come since they hammered, and as scum they're probably really stressed/scared over being left solo. Maybe they're so stressed they panic and pick no one because they can't decide but like...there are some clear candidates that are all decent.

[Tanner]

i guess what reminds me of that is how Pooky is suggesting we eliminate him repeatedly in this game. It seeeems like a losing play -- just like the no kill does. But maybe doing something ridiculous is all scum has at this point, idk

my problem with this is in the cursed game, i was screaming about how pooky is scum because he told people to eliminate him

he was town

Other than Lavender who probably forgot to submit

please don't do this to my poor mental health ok

[Chara]

What about that post cleared it for you, Chara?

Tanner-scum who needs to go the distance and dodge three eliminations while also coming up with a reason he hasn't been nightkilled yet doesn't spend his time coming up with a believable PoE that leaves him screwed over after Krazy flips town and he had to scramble for more miselims on Hectic/me, is the feeling.
the other feeling is Tanner simply looks very good when i get to read his posts in the moment.

i'm thinking about the mess that was FGO again, by the way. you're pretty spot on about my strengths as scum. i got the best reception from the town when i was letting my heart hang on my sleeve.

[Chara]

well the Tanner paranoia is gone, if it comes back later would someone please spray me with a water bottle and direct me to my own words? thank you.

chara i appreciate this but how does that help with the feelings that my puppy push was tmi

i don't know. i don't know! it just does. they are outweighed.

[Morning Tweet]

I mean I totally see this type of WIFOM happening as scum, it's pretty run of the mill imo

When I reread I'm going to try to focus later on more tracking progressions/guessing at how legitimate the reads themselves are.

FWIW I think even Lavender kills here. They knew night had come since they hammered, and as scum they're probably really stressed/scared over being left solo. Maybe they're so stressed they panic and pick no one because they can't decide but like...there are some clear candidates that are all decent.

They gave us an extra kill!! How can that WIFOM be worth more than them having to miselim an entire extra player !!

Maybe you can frame Lavender with it. She didn't really need that much extra framing tho

[Prism]

I'M SORRY I HAVE AN INDESCRIBABLE NEED TO BE LIKED

Spoiler: Tanner don't click I warned you

ie. what instinctively points you toward him? I know that you work a lot off of current feeling/intuition, no need to go digging through the archives unless you want to for some reason

what the hell you're so sweet and understanding this is why i fell for you

To be honest what I'm describing here is exactly why I'm always eager to hear your thoughts/why your presence as a player was so missed

Your approach and ways of thinking are so different from mine but are somehow absolutely brilliant in their own way?

Like at the risk of being borderline offensive I find your attention/working memory issues completely enthralling, absolutely positive, rather than a drawback or a negative

...Okay, well, that's enough of that for now.

I'll try and be back a bit later, my *~mystery task~* got pushed back 6/7 hours so I'm still stressing over that

[Prism]

My working assumption MT is that it was a legitimate miscalc-where scum just saw it was even and assumed it was optimal-or that someone forgot (and that person would be Chara, who was very AWOL and disinterested at the EOD...but even then it posted in FGO postgame overnight)

[Tanner]

tweet have you ever explained why krazy is obvtown?