Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Prism]

Prism is busy looking for a way to kill me without looking too bad because he might be the last bad guy.

respectfully exactly i wouldn't even do any leadin, i would just save it for the reread and do it all at once, it comes off more natural that way

[Morning Tweet]

only because he is considering me.

I went thru that hell yesterday with him and considered him locktown and I don't understand why he'd go through that hell with me and think I'm more scummy than Hectic.

Yeah but you are scummier than Hectic though

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But it's not really here to push.

at F5 the scum will pub-cop 2 players and have a POE of 3 and if Prism is in that POE3 something is very very wrong.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah but you are scummier than Hectic though

because?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

respectfully exactly i wouldn't even do any leadin, i would just save it for the reread and do it all at once, it comes off more natural that way

I think you have a pretty good idea of my alignment, you re-read extensively yesterday and you were here with me for every post of D2 so I'm not sure what the point of yet another re-read would be except to pretend you are re-thinking your position when you are not.

[Prism]

i meant another word other than exactly but i can't remember what it was rip

I went thru that hell yesterday with him and considered him locktown and I don't understand why he'd go through that hell with me and think I'm more scummy than Hectic.

I mean here it's more that my reads yesterday were wrong and everyone else seems to be town by default, your play yesterday was exceptional as scum but there's room for the patience/playing it slow that made it so strong

i think the term i used for you before was IN CASE OF EMERGENCY BREAK GLASS, in that scum turned out to (probably) not be in the lurkers at all meaning whoever is left was in 0 danger of autoloss that day. suddenly stalling out w/ me isn't risky at all-and like i said before, i'm surprised people aren't taking the same lens to me (totally safe for me-scum to play it slow, too, just like for pooky-scum)

[Prism]

I think you have a pretty good idea of my alignment, you re-read extensively yesterday and you were here with me for every post of D2 so I'm not sure what the point of yet another re-read would be except to pretend you are re-thinking your position when you are not.

You seem to apply this to my read on you. Do you think this is true of Chara/Hectic, both of whom I've read probably 2-3x more than you?

[Prism]

(I ask that because despite me reading them each 2-3x more, I still have waffled quite a lot on those slots)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You seem to apply this to my read on you. Do you think this is true of Chara/Hectic, both of whom I've read probably 2-3x more than you?

I don't understand this question, can you rephrase it?

[Morning Tweet]

Otherwise, the posts are genuine.

they are geniune

tanner is 100% locktown

Can you tell me why you want to hurt me today? I don't want to do some long wall of texting, just think about it and tell me the strongest reason in your heart - it's usually the one you think of first.

I have no idea who it is if it isn't you Pooky

I am 95% on Prism/Tanner/Krazy, 90% on Chara and Lavender, 85% on Hectic maybe

I am really not sure where else there is for me to vote.

So I guess I'm not sure how to answer your question. I don't think you had stellar positioning on the D1 wagon, obviously you were wrong D2 like the majority of us. D1 I really only remember your sparing talk and the 1v1 with catboi. You had a lot of highlights for sure, scum is killing it. end of D2 your posting was a little weird -- I guess I'm not really sure where the paranoia for dying came from.

wwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think there's a difference between re-reading because curious and re-reading to become comfortable with a decision you've already made and your tone feels like the later.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have no idea who it is if it isn't you Pooky

It's not me unfortunately :3

[Prism]

Sure. You seem to think that given how much I've read your slot, it's unlikely that I would really change my mind or have much additional info to glean from another reread. Therefore, you seem to think my intent isn't really to reread you but to give me an excuse to pivot.

I'm introducing two facts: A) I've waffled frequently on Chara/Hectic B) I've probably read each of their slots 4-6 times each, whereas with yours I've probably read it once or twice.

This can be interpreted in several ways. One might be to strengthen your point-I'm waffling but I've read those slots so many times, why on earth do I change my mind constantly when I already read that stuff 3x?-or you might interpret it to mean that I legitimately

do

have different takeaways each time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I guess I'm not really sure where the paranoia for dying came from.

I guess I thought I was more widely town-read than I really was. How silly of me ;_;

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sure. You seem to think that given how much I've read your slot, it's unlikely that I would really change my mind or have much additional info to glean from another reread. Therefore, you seem to think my intent isn't really to reread you but to give me an excuse to pivot.

I'm introducing two facts: A) I've waffled frequently on Chara/Hectic B) I've probably read each of their slots 4-6 times each, whereas with yours I've probably read it once or twice.

This can be interpreted in several ways. One might be to strengthen your point-I'm waffling but I've read those slots so many times, why on earth do I change my mind constantly when I already read that stuff 3x?-or you might interpret it to mean that I legitimately

do

have different takeaways each time.

I don't believe it's reasonable or rational for you to spend this much time on a game that's nearly completely won yet be willing to take a backseat on decisions.

[Prism]

I think there's a difference between re-reading because curious and re-reading to become comfortable with a decision you've already made and your tone feels like the later.

This is pretty fair but like...I also haven't reread yet. Maybe you feel the need to preemptively defend

in case

I scumpush, which is okay.

I would definitely say that my decision is likely, though, in that you seem to be scum by PoE, and it's worth taking a look to make sure I'm not missing obvtown (ie. PoE blatantly wrong). That's more what I'm wanting to sanitycheck, rather than that I'm hoping to nail down a solid scumcase on you.

It seems like you thought Hectic before and are now considering me, but I've been ahead of the game here in that I traced exactly what my issues were with your Hectic push-I can't remember if you responded to my rebuttal or not, I'll look myself but if you have the link that'd be cool-and have seriously engaged with the read and your reaction by asking who it is if

not

you or Hectic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nope I still consider Hectic my number 1 but I'm taking you out of my locktown group.

[Prism]

don't believe it's reasonable or rational for you to spend this much time on a game that's nearly completely won yet be willing to take a backseat on decisions.

Two things:

1) I noticeably didn't want to be in the town dictator position yesterday

despite

having no reason to doubt my reads this game.
2) I am not taking a backseat and explicitly have said I wanted to get back in the saddle, ditched Weird Al, and once again critically engaged with/traced the argument between you/Hectic even as I've struggled with RL stuff today. I've also engaged with plenty of other things on Krazy/Tanner/Chara.

The "backseat" comment seems to come from me concurring with Morning's plan, but taking the wheel doesn't mean coming up with an entirely original idea. I clearly laid out what I want to do before I'm comfortable going with the deciision
3) If I didn't want to be the town dictator before (see 1), I surely don't want to be it now

P-Edit: Sure, I've encouraged that basically all game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think you had stellar positioning on the D1 wagon

if I knew ele was going to flip red do you really think I don't get into a better position?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1) I noticeably didn't want to be in the town dictator position yesterday despite having no reason to doubt my reads this game.
2) I am not taking a backseat and explicitly have said I wanted to get back in the saddle, ditched Weird Al, and once again critically engaged with/traced the argument between you/Hectic even as I've struggled with RL stuff today. I've also engaged with plenty of other things on Krazy/Tanner/Chara.

The "backseat" comment seems to come from me concurring with Morning's plan, but taking the wheel doesn't mean coming up with an entirely original idea. I clearly laid out what I want to do before I'm comfortable going with the deciision
3) If I didn't want to be the town dictator before (see 1), I surely don't want to be it now

It is hard for me to believe that town!prism doesn't want the responsibility given what I know about how much you care and how much you've put into the game. Shooters going to shoot.

[Prism]

Another note is that you seem to think that my effort/obsession is something I place a lot of faith in. It is the opposite-my relentless obsession has been my ruin, and the fact that it was Day 2 is unfortunately a Prism special.

There are games of mine that others admire that for me are deeply painful memories. Dystopia! is considered one of my strongest town performances by third parties, but to me it is my greatest shame. I brought the energy, the fire, the passion, the

drive

, but I discovered the hard way the simple, painful truth of being town: I cannot win alone. My obsession is a powerful thing, but it's also isolating and drowns out the voices of others. This theme-that I must serve as a driving force while not letting my obsession overwhelm me-was a repeated theme throughout Undertale S Open

[Prism]

I shot. I missed.

I'll shoot again, but I'm not the Lone Ranger. I am not alone. I've never won a game alone, and I doubt this one will be any exception.

And if I want the same shot as Morning, that's not giving up my agency at all.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How much do you want to win if you're town?

because it won't be as easy as just yeeting me.

[Prism]

I would sell my soul for it, if only selling my soul were enough.

And I agree that there is a good chance it won't be that easy.

Being suspicious of me pivoting to you is fine, but acting like I'm throwing in the towel and giving up my own agency because I agree with Morning is completely wrong.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's fair, let's talk after you're done with your re-read. ^^