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[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’d rather wait to vocalize my team guess until after actions are known, because I don’t want my speculation to get wrinkled by that

[duppin]

why would scum not kill VP? i cant really come up with a good explanation for them doing it. I have a couple of theories but it's so much WIFOM im not sure it would even be worth it to discuss, but not killing just seems like such a strange decision

[VP Baltar]

I’m kinda curious about something
Btw I’d prefer duppin claim his action first

Why duppin first?

[duppin]

I currently am more comfortable voting gamma as I'm pretty sure the solve isnt duppin/haschel. But my guess for gammas partner is probably duppin bc I remember duppin claimed he targeted gamma two days in a row. And I'm sorry but like ... why tf? Like I could understand targeting Ythan(for his small amounts of sheeping early in the game) or targeting me(for my at the time, classified as "bad accusations" against Reck) or targeting Reck as he was quote, "a lightning rod" and attracted all the prs early on for his play or just about everyone else. But like ... Gamma. Why gamma? I just don't understand why you would target gamma and two nights in a row at that. It just doesn't make sense to me. I could see Haschel/Gamma but that would mean the scum team distanced really damn well this entire game and I mean kudos to them if that's the solve cuz I'm not seeing it.

sure it is a possibility that me and Gamma could be scum partners, but it would definitely not be because of the night action. just to clarify targeting Gamma two days in a row was pretty logical:

there is no reason for me to check any of PR claims as the result is useless, which left me with you, skies and Gamma.
there was no reason to check you or skies since i think it was pretty likely that UT was going to check you which means my result would most likely be useless espcially considering he was likely to die in the night so would not be able to confirm who he visited
we limmed a scum who is confirmed to have commited the night kill, so if suddenly Gamma did an action it could perhaps be due to him performing the nk now

[duppin]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

[Haschel Cedricson]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

For clarification, your claim is that you targeted Noraa?

[duppin]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

For clarification, your claim is that you targeted Noraa?

yes i targeted noraa and got motion detected

[Haschel Cedricson]

I also targeted Noraa. She was targeted last night by one Miscellaneous Action and one Action Investigation (me).

That means either we are both telling the truth and you were the Miscellaneous Action, VP targeted Noraa and you are lying, or Ythan targeted Noraa and you are lying.

Based on what Noraa said I'm going with the middle option. Ythan, can you confirm that you did not send a mask to Noraa?

[Noraa]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

[Noraa]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

For clarification, your claim is that you targeted Noraa?

yes i targeted noraa and got motion detected

This is impossible. Vanilla townies have no night actions. Duppin in confscum now. I'll have to ISO dive to see if I can find some interesting stuff in duppin and Reck's isos.

[duppin]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

by saying you could confirm someone as town you seemed to imply that as the case. if ythan gave you a mask that doesnt really confirm him as town

nonetheless point still stands; you confirmed someone visited you meaning my result doesnt matter

[duppin]

I also targeted Noraa. She was targeted last night by one Miscellaneous Action and one Action Investigation (me).

That means either we are both telling the truth and you were the Miscellaneous Action, VP targeted Noraa and you are lying, or Ythan targeted Noraa and you are lying.

Based on what Noraa said I'm going with the middle option. Ythan, can you confirm that you did not send a mask to Noraa?

I have absolutely no idea what my action counts as but if you are claiming i am lying then it definitely makes it easier for me to solve

[Noraa]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

by saying you could confirm someone as town you seemed to imply that as the case. if ythan gave you a mask that doesnt really confirm him as town

nonetheless point still stands; you confirmed someone visited you meaning my result doesnt matter

wdym your result does not matter? You can only detect me performing actions but that is impossible bc I'm vanilla.

[Noraa]

Or is motion detector also influenced by actions performed on me?

[duppin]

Or is motion detector also influenced by actions performed on me?

yes exactly, so it only confirms taht either you did something or someone visited you

[Noraa]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

by saying you could confirm someone as town you seemed to imply that as the case. if ythan gave you a mask that doesnt really confirm him as town

nonetheless point still stands; you confirmed someone visited you meaning my result doesnt matter

isnt mask giver a town role? so if he gave me a mask, it would technically confirm him right? Both mask giver and fn have night actions that confirm them I believe...?

[duppin]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

by saying you could confirm someone as town you seemed to imply that as the case. if ythan gave you a mask that doesnt really confirm him as town

nonetheless point still stands; you confirmed someone visited you meaning my result doesnt matter

isnt mask giver a town role? so if he gave me a mask, it would technically confirm him right? Both mask giver and fn have night actions that confirm them I believe...?

i believe he is town because mafia roleblocker is confirmed to have visited him, but i dont think there is anything that confirms his role as town

[Noraa]

Or is motion detector also influenced by actions performed on me?

yes exactly, so it only confirms taht either you did something or someone visited you

I'm a little bit reluctant to believe your claim considering I had just said that I could confirm someone tho I do know that technically it's not ur fault(if u actually are town motion detector) that I claimed first :/

Im also reluctant to believe u cuz gamma/duppin is my current solve

[Noraa]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

by saying you could confirm someone as town you seemed to imply that as the case. if ythan gave you a mask that doesnt really confirm him as town

nonetheless point still stands; you confirmed someone visited you meaning my result doesnt matter

isnt mask giver a town role? so if he gave me a mask, it would technically confirm him right? Both mask giver and fn have night actions that confirm them I believe...?

i believe he is town because mafia roleblocker is confirmed to have visited him, but i dont think there is anything that confirms his role as town

so that was why he's confirmed? I always thought it was bc mask giver couldn't be scum aligned :/

[duppin]

Or is motion detector also influenced by actions performed on me?

yes exactly, so it only confirms taht either you did something or someone visited you

I'm a little bit reluctant to believe your claim considering I had just said that I could confirm someone tho I do know that technically it's not ur fault(if u actually are town motion detector) that I claimed first :/

Im also reluctant to believe u cuz gamma/duppin is my current solve

yes that is fair if you are town then gamma and me are probably a possibility but im actually doing VLA at the moment so give me some time to finish it up

[duppin]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

no. Vp and Ythan are both roles that visit at night. I did not claim vp visited me.

by saying you could confirm someone as town you seemed to imply that as the case. if ythan gave you a mask that doesnt really confirm him as town

nonetheless point still stands; you confirmed someone visited you meaning my result doesnt matter

isnt mask giver a town role? so if he gave me a mask, it would technically confirm him right? Both mask giver and fn have night actions that confirm them I believe...?

i believe he is town because mafia roleblocker is confirmed to have visited him, but i dont think there is anything that confirms his role as town

so that was why he's confirmed? I always thought it was bc mask giver couldn't be scum aligned :/

yes he was confirmed because UT tracked reck visiting ythan and agar on the same night, we know he killed agar so it seems logical to conclude he roleblocked ythan

[Noraa]

that was confusing. I felt so certain duppin was scum bc I misunderstood the role but also I still feel like a duppin/gamma solve seems most likely.
idk I need to think on this a bit and give my brain a quick cool down in some lighter content threads.
be back after the brain cool down and a quick trip to the roles wiki

[Gamma Emerald]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

For clarification, your claim is that you targeted Noraa?

yes i targeted noraa and got motion detected

Okay I think duppin at least is genuine here. The sensible MD action last night was to check a VT. Tbh at this point I’m willing to make my move but in interest of equitable opportunity, will give Haschel a chance to reveal result

[VP Baltar]

Ythan, who did you give a mask to last night?

I have more to say on this duppin situation, but I want to reread everything carefully on a computer.

Haschel, who is the scum pair in your mind.

[Haschel Cedricson]

The sensible MD action last night was to check a VT.

Can you explain this?