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[Flavor Leaf]

Osuka scumming up, Taylor towning up, Creature towning up, Bob scumming up, i think chances of all 3 scum on Shelly go up, but still probably has scum within Taylor, Bob, Creature, and maybe it’s Bob’.

His flip after Taylor started coming in is scummy looking.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Scum defo have other powers. Welcome back osuka.

P: wut

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also isn't roleblocker pretty good against vigs already?

Yeah, it blocks my actions.

On top of scum having a doctor.

Like scum knew there was a Vigilante this game based on the doctor, and scum decided to doc someone who wasn’t Golden.

So it had to have been someone more likely to be vigged than Golden.

unless the doc is gated.

Yes, but if it’s not matched up with my doctor in hypotheticals, what’s the point of having it?

Also, Golden flipped Even, and I shot Night 1.

I’m pretty positive they should have ways to deal with.

UNVOTE: Taylor

but if the doc is x-shot rather than night gated, then maybe they thought theyd be safe on night 1. i agree with you that they had something to deal with you. i just dont necessarily think we know for sure that they doc'd someone else. and i dunno who theyd doc other than TGP. maybe BM? it seems like theyd want to doc the decently scumread PR...

[JohnnyFarrar]

Flav how often do you get pocketed

[Tayl0r Swift]

Osuka scumming up, Taylor towning up, Creature towning up, Bob scumming up, i think chances of all 3 scum on Shelly go up, but still probably has scum within Taylor, Bob, Creature, and maybe it’s Bob’.

His flip after Taylor started coming in is scummy looking.

yes i could see it being bob. he has not offered the same insights he normally does as town. my problem is that my confident townread is now dead. normally im a townhunter but with all the replacements and this particular playerlist its been tougher. i guess ill say creature town too, and i wanna say pooky town.

[osuka]

at this point im basically today's lunch. unfortunately, unless BM is the scum doctor, theres going to be no way to confirm FL as town here 100%. pls vig/lunch BM.

I’m already confirmed unless you think scum shot themselves :lol:

bus driver?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is that a bet

[osuka]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

[Flavor Leaf]

Also isn't roleblocker pretty good against vigs already?

Yeah, it blocks my actions.

On top of scum having a doctor.

Like scum knew there was a Vigilante this game based on the doctor, and scum decided to doc someone who wasn’t Golden.

So it had to have been someone more likely to be vigged than Golden.

unless the doc is gated.

Yes, but if it’s not matched up with my doctor in hypotheticals, what’s the point of having it?

Also, Golden flipped Even, and I shot Night 1.

I’m pretty positive they should have ways to deal with.

UNVOTE: Taylor

but if the doc is x-shot rather than night gated, then maybe they thought theyd be safe on night 1. i agree with you that they had something to deal with you. i just dont necessarily think we know for sure that they doc'd someone else. and i dunno who theyd doc other than TGP. maybe BM? it seems like theyd want to doc the decently scumread PR...

This is correct, but that’s just another possibility, if that makes sense.

Even if we split the possibilities down the middle, it’s still 50/50 at minimum, and I think 50% is a strong enough push to go through with for a reason. That’s scum equity, if that makes sense. It doesn’t mean that’s what’s happening.

So in the end, we mix up all these possibility hypothetical, into what has the most likely of a chance, then we can add in other things like personal reads.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im still very unimpressed by johnny here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

i feel like vig wouldnt cc but instead just shoot FL. if the doc is on FL and the shot fails then maybe cc time.

[Flavor Leaf]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

For me to not be a Vigilante, you have to assume I was willing to be counterclaimed by whoever the real Vig was, in a situation where I would have just lost a scum member.

Like I’m crazy as scum, but I do things with pro benefit to scum winning, if that makes sense.

[Ydrasse]

hi, sorry for not posting but i've been burned out lately + trying to catch up last night did not work out very well

[Tayl0r Swift]

the two largest wagons other than shelly EOD yesterday were BM and ydrasse. either of them could have been doc'd, and i see nothing that makes me sort ydrasse as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

i feel like vig wouldnt cc but instead just shoot FL. if the doc is on FL and the shot fails then maybe cc time.

Ah, right, I didn’t think about this.

Regardless, I think it’s pretty clear even before I claimed, that I shot Golden, at least in hindsight.

I even came in to the day saying Golden or Gamma, I shot Golden because Gamma I can interact with to figure things out easier, and I owe it to trust it.

That’s also why I pushed the game with the confidence I had. I was on the shooting scum Night 1 high, i have been known to hold my Night 1 Vig shots before.

So I wanted to be correct. I really wanted to be correct with TS and BM, right after shooting Golden.

If that helps see where I was coming from.

[Flavor Leaf]

the two largest wagons other than shelly EOD yesterday were BM and ydrasse. either of them could have been doc'd, and i see nothing that makes me sort ydrasse as town.

Yeah, Ydrasse could be scum.

I thought Pooky was clearing them earlier.

I think we should claim whoever thinks they stopped the kill.

[Tayl0r Swift]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

i feel like vig wouldnt cc but instead just shoot FL. if the doc is on FL and the shot fails then maybe cc time.

Ah, right, I didn’t think about this.

Regardless, I think it’s pretty clear even before I claimed, that I shot Golden, at least in hindsight.

I even came in to the day saying Golden or Gamma, I shot Golden because Gamma I can interact with to figure things out easier, and I owe it to trust it.

That’s also why I pushed the game with the confidence I had. I was on the shooting scum Night 1 high, i have been known to hold my Night 1 Vig shots before.

So I wanted to be correct. I really wanted to be correct with TS and BM, right after shooting Golden.

If that helps see where I was coming from.

it does, and you might have been half-right there.

[osuka]

though in fairness with no cc and a scum doctor, vig is sort of an obvious claim to make. im just not sure whether someojne would fakeclaim vig or, in the case of a vig fakeclaim, someone would cc

pedit: not really, no. i think bd is very unlikely compared to vig in light of a scum doctor

i feel like vig wouldnt cc but instead just shoot FL. if the doc is on FL and the shot fails then maybe cc time.

that was my first thought. im inclined to agree

[Ydrasse]

my god you guys posted a lot

[Tayl0r Swift]

i still am convinced that FL is town now. if FL isnt town then FL will be mechanically confirmed more than likely.

[osuka]

i mean regardless of what your read on fl is, you probably shouldnt kill a claimed vig with no cc

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah but i dont think i was ever actually voting FL even when i scumread him. im saying now i townread him, and for reasons other than just the claim.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeah naw there's absolutely no reason to eliminate Flavy. Didn't know that was on the table. The likelihood of a vig in this setup is pretty high as well.

[osuka]

if were discussing setup, casting doubt on the existence of a vig is probably the last thing to do

[osuka]

is it beneficial for a town protective to speak up? theyd 100% get shot here but would confirm someone else and vig would still get another shot, assuming shot gate