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[duppin]

I never said gamma/haschel is impossible. I just feel like gamma/duppin seems more likely. but my problem is that I buy duppin town more than haschel town individually. but when gamma comes into play, I think ur more likely. so I've just gone in circles with this logic cuz I can't fucking tell which of {duppin, haschel} is town. this is why I've been saying gamma lim is towns safest bet today.

i did not say you said it was impossible, i said that you said you couldnt see it because you thought they distanced too well. to quote:

"I could see Haschel/Gamma but that would mean the scum team distanced really damn well this entire game and I mean kudos to them if that's the solve cuz I'm not seeing it."

[duppin]

duppin stop twisting my words. Im not replying to most of the above posts bc ur twisting my words. Idc if u don't agree with my logic. Point out flaws don't twist my words around and create some dang flaws.

I apologise if you feel like I am twisting your words, I do not feel I am. I believe I am pointing out the flaws in your logic, feel free to point out where you believe I am twisting your words

[VP Baltar]

Duppin, you are really opposed to Gamma today? I mean,there is a possibility it is Gamma/Haschel here.

I'm having a hard time seeing Noraa as scum here, just being honest.

Ythan - can I get your in depth thoughts and instincts here?

[duppin]

I dont find Noraa to be more townie than Gamma at the moment and I know Haschel is scum since he is counterclaiming me (unless it is Gamma+noraa with some kind of redirection but that just seems really unlikely), so as it stands right now there is no way I would vote on anyone but Haschel

[VP Baltar]

I have a hard time thinking gamma = noraa here.

Noraa is actually working here it seems. If she's scum, it's pretty good scum play.

[Noraa]

I think gamma has worked just as hard for the majority of the game but its limlo and I figured I needed to step up my game so I thought about the game quite a bit while the thread was locked cuz otherwise my perfect 100% town win rate gonna disappear just like ~poof~ ;(

All jokes aside, gamma is scum. I don't buy duppin/haschel as I've stated multiple times so gamma 100% must be scum and the fact that gamma's responses to my Foses were nothing close to townie made me extra sus.

[Noraa]

If gamma was town(this means duppin/haschel is the solve), he would immediately OMGUS me bc from his perspective it would look like scum!Noraa is getting a mislim on him. Cuz I'm pretty sure? that gamma also agrees that duppin/haschel isnt the solve. Idk but I feel like if I was in town!gamma's position(assuming the slot is town which btw I DO NOT believe is true), I would not stay silent and just let everyone sus me. In fact, I'd be very very mad if I was getting sussed like this as town and write a huge huge wall case on why the scum isnt me. I just feel like the reaction we r getting from gamma rn r not townie at all :/

[Noraa]

Gamma's reaction is just confirming to me that gamma is scum and I think my vote rn is *spiritually* parked there for today. I am much much more confident in a gamma lim than any other lim regardless of what either duppin or haschel says.

[Noraa]

I understand why if duppin was town, he would push a haschel lim just like I am pushing a gamma lim so confidently(at this is +townpoints for duppin cuz his reaction feels really similar to mine in this situation) however haschel seems to at least be *trying*. Gamma seems to be scum that's just given up and isnt even trying anymore and that just reads bad.

[VP Baltar]

{ut, ythan, haschel}

I mean, what are the odds of scum!Haschel blurting out an explanation that makes town!reck less yeetable? Also, would scum!Haschel double confirm I'm town?

uhhh well scumHasch would know that im telling the truth about not getting hit with all the abilities people were claiming. and telling the truth is always a great way for scum to appear town.

if i'm scum in HC's position i absolutely come in with the extra context on the person about to get misyeeted bc then when i'm in presumable lylo (what're we calling lylo) tomorrow, at 3:4, that's one person off the table. or at least less likely to be in consideration than other people.

that being said, i do think of that list, ythan makes the most sense for scum on play/actions alone. but id rather yeet from the other list first since i think there's a higher cluster of likely scum there.

Worth remembering that Haschel's results really did almost save Reck.

Also, Reck barely talks about gamma at all, but definitely tried to get Norra and duppin's slot elimmed. Could be bussing, but scum had no strong incentive to bus at that point imo.

[Noraa]

Reck jumped on me multiple times for ... imo bad reasons but I'm obviously biased since it's me that we are talking about rn. Then Reck abruptly dropped me out of his SRs. At the time, I had felt like he was trying to set me up if he was scum but didn't think too much bc I, personally felt like Reck had some really townie moments and was probably actually town even tho there were some strange unexplainable things. Now that I think about it knowing Reck is scum, it absolutely was an attempt to get me killed later in the game.

[Noraa]

The random SRs on me that popped up whenever were strange to begin with and then the abrupt dropping of all of them was very strange too....

[duppin]

I have a hard time thinking gamma = noraa here.

Noraa is actually working here it seems. If she's scum, it's pretty good scum play.

Noraa could be town. Haschel is scum.

There is a chance we straight up lose if we lim Noraa or Gamma, but we will definitely lim scum if we lim Haschel from my point of view obviously.
I am not confident enough in my reads on either Noraa or Gamma to vote on someone else. Besides all it would really accomplish is that you would delay me vs Haschel for tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Duppin having a view similar to mine is towny but ur saying legit the exact. same. thing. I've. been. saying

[Noraa]

Us thinking alike is definitely town indicative for u in my opinion but dude don't use my exact damn logic straight against me. not cool. >:(

it give me the heebie-jeebies that ur thoughts r this similar.

[duppin]

i think you misunderstand what i have been saying: i have been saying that there is no reason to believe that gamma and haschel could not be scumbuddies and if you are town and i am know then i am pointing it out to you so you realise that you are making a mistake by clearing them. you finding me and gamma mroe likely to be scumpartners is not the issue, it is the clearing of them because if you are town then it is factually wrong (assuming 2 scum) unless some really weird stuff going on since i am town.

when you did not really explain it yet kept saying to me it came across as suspicious especially because you were pushing a direct world where i was scum purely from your poe logic even though you didn't not directly call me scum, so naturally this would make me more inclined to believe that you could be scum

[Noraa]

I did not clear them. ur twisting my words again

[duppin]

To me this come across as you clearing them from your own point of view:

"I could see Haschel/Gamma but that would mean the scum team distanced really damn well this entire game and I mean kudos to them if that's the solve cuz I'm not seeing it."

[Noraa]

I told u that my logic that u r more town than haschel but u r more likely with gamma drove me insane. why tf is this scum indicative?

[Noraa]

Woah its not like ur whole lil spiel sounds 1)exactly like me and 2)makes sense to less people than mine currently

[Noraa]

urs is entirely from ur pov as well. Under these standards ur scum. U can't call me out for doing something u do. And I don't understand. Am I expected to think from someone else's perspective?

[duppin]

I told u that my logic that u r more town than haschel but u r more likely with gamma drove me insane. why tf is this scum indicative?

because from my point of view you are claiming
a) that you are 100% sure Gamma is scum
b) that Gamma and Haschel are not scumbuddies

this means whether intentional or not that the team you are pushing is me and Gamma - which is perfectly reasonable in itself, however it is the fact that you stated that you could not see Gamma and Haschel being together that it is issue. The issue is not that you think me and Gamma are more likely to be together due to my claim

[Noraa]

Why is that an issue? I don't see any links between the two and they have almost zero interaction

[Noraa]

I did not clear them. I just said gamma is the safest lim today.

[duppin]

urs is entirely from ur pov as well. Under these standards ur scum. U can't call me out for doing something u do. And I don't understand. Am I expected to think from someone else's perspective?

Not true. This is not what I am doing. I was evaluating all the possible teams and my conclusion was this as I stated:

Noraa and Gamma are unlikely to be together due to Gamma's day 2 push on Noraa.
There is nothing that really indicates that a Noraa+Haschel and a Gamma+Haschel pairing isn't possible.

What you did was state that you did not believe Gamma and Haschel could be together because they you think they have distanced so well if they have.
I believe this was a wrong read because there is no distancing between them as they have hardly interacted.
You then later claimed that you more so believe it is the lack of distance as well actually as you think the fact that they haven't engaged means they are less likely to be partners (I really disagree with this logic but thats whole different discussion we do not need to have)