Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is the game btw if you are wondering:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=84227

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i had any i'd be bussing them

exactly so just do me a solid

[Bell]

Gimme the name of a scumbuddy at least

if i had any i'd be bussing them

scum catchup post

@ bell

looool that my immediate thought was "midwaybear as archer"

Whoosh

[fferyllt]

@FF: I don't have enough of a backlog to jump in here. I have two skims and one full game on him. I believe him when he says he gets miseliminated a lot though.

I'm pretty sure Cabd had a look at Syr's list of games from a couple pages ago. So have I. I don't expect he'll share any high caliber meta tells with me, but we can still talk in generalities. The only time I learn about the ~100% tells is when he's going to burn one.

[petapan]

if i had any i'd be bussing them

exactly so just do me a solid

unfortunately i am town


that can be a reply to you or a general statement

[Bell]

Are you town?

[Bell]

You just skimmed my catch up post that is pretty much nothing like archers.
You're self narrating.
You're reflexively ball busting.
You're not tunneling and I suspect you're using the word tunneling wrong.

[Bell]

Also, Tammy crushed a town ALT I had for like 3 games, forever ago and the wound never healed. Collage posting explains some of the issue, but I think she might be really good at putting them together in a way that Lancer didn't.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nobody reads catchup posts without links dude

[Bell]

There didn't seem to be an easy way to implement that, I should probably have asked if there was. But if you iso it, it shouldn't take very long to find the posts in question.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just write 950 instead of #950

[Bell]

brb.
Thanks Bearfriend.

[petapan]

You just skimmed my catch up post that is pretty much nothing like archers.
You're self narrating.
You're reflexively ball busting.
You're not tunneling and I suspect you're using the word tunneling wrong.

i had not actually read it fully as of that moment but the whole presentation legit bugs me lmao, it's difficult to interface with and the you've chosen to comment on things is strange to me, less of an analysis and more a series of statements spat into the void. you're getting a reply but it'll take time.
i don't understand what you mean by this or why it's scummy?
is ball busting supposed to be scummy?
i would largely agree that to this point my pressure on anyone has not been sustained enough to constitute a tunnel, your issue with that is...?

[Tammy]

Gimme the name of a scumbuddy at least

if i had any i'd be bussing them

scum catchup post

@ bell

looool that my immediate thought was "midwaybear as archer"

At least you can tell what the person is responding to with the quote stripes!

[Tammy]

Also, Tammy crushed a town ALT I had for like 3 games, forever ago and the wound never healed. Collage posting explains some of the issue, but I think she might be really good at putting them together in a way that Lancer didn't.

I don’t understand?

[Syryana]

i had not actually read it fully as of that moment but the whole presentation legit bugs me lmao, it's difficult to interface with and the you've chosen to comment on things is strange to me, less of an analysis and more a series of statements spat into the void. you're getting a reply but it'll take time.

Here it is Assassin's town bois

You just skimmed my catch up post that is pretty much nothing like archers.
You're self narrating.
You're reflexively ball busting.
You're not tunneling and I suspect you're using the word tunneling wrong.

Your catch up post had more meat to it than archer's but I'm not gonna lie it's really hard to figure out what you actually think about most of the players you listed in it. Would you mind dumping some names into a fferyCabdGiF style tier list? I don't even need reasons to start with I just wanna know what you think about people.

As for the remarks about petapan your prior post implies that you think he's scummy and none of these things really seem to contribute to that thought in any way especially the ball busting part since that was what started people townreading him in FGO when he just beat the shit out of Chara for like two pages. so why do you think petapan is scummy

[Tammy]

What Alisae game are you referring to? Flying scumsman? If so I don't remember much of that game, I was very confused for most of it

Yeah, that game.

[Bell]

* Fixed*
Thanks Mr. Bear.


Page 35 to 52. I'm skimming from here!

You don't have to read all of it but you should probably read yours since there are questions mixed in there.

LMK if you want to discuss any posts.*

Tayl0r Swift

Spoiler:

#1094: Pinged.
#1098: Okay.
#1099: Okay?
#1111: You sound like there's a terrorist with a gun to your head forcing you to play in 12 games just out of frame or something.
#1113: I don't!
#1125: Sure.
#1135: Wut? We went to a Halloween pumpkin tour thing. It was very pretty. My grandpa said his favorite part was the pumpkin 'Dinasnores.' which is my new favorite made up word.
#1214: What about the last few pages wasn't fun? I had fun.

Cabd

Spoiler:

#850: Push.
#984: Did you roll scum this game?
#996: Remind me next time to make sure you always go first with these.
#1019: Remind me next time to make sure you always go first with these.
#1021: *gasp* I AM NOT TRIGGERED. also, also, Tammy it would be desperate for approval if he went second. because that way he could alter them. (time travel, FF even copped to this before going first!)
#1027: Eh. Depends on how they do it.
#1028: Forced.
#1030: Oh, I guess that means you aren't scum then~
#1033: Why did you decide to adjust the positions of her current reads rather than giving your own?
#1034: 60 seconds.
#1045: 5 minutes.
#1186: Winner either way, am I right?
#1218: Prompt.
#1219: Okay, but couldn't you just examine the merits rather than having your own original read.
#1225: No.

fferyllt

Spoiler:

*Mostly aimed at you and Syrana. Even though Syrana hasn't done anything but look pretty yet. (On page 40 at the time of this writing).
#856: Going forward.
#1010: Enjoy the moment.
#1023:

Highly townie.

#1032: No! Why did you go first?! 8 reads. Midway in the middle. Why is syrana so high. Besides being tonally exactly the same down to the orange jacket. Well, actually that's not true this game. He's tonally similar to how he was at the end of that game. But friendly tell. Which ones surprised you?
#1038: Ground run. FF/Cabd out.
#1064: Defense. FF/Cabd out X2.
#1095: Clearly a villager that bakes bread in their spare time.
#1152: Why did you ignore it? Nope! Not really. It was an RVS poke.
#1182: I like this post. Look at all the wheels she's spinning.
#1230: Right? ...right? The fitting size and shape thing is a lot harder than it needs to be though.
#1231: Rest well.

midwaybear

Spoiler:

#876: Why?
#893:
#1000: That is one wavy wavelength.
#1005: This post is carefully NAI. Why the selective wording?
#1014: You guess? @Gamma town read he did go a little extra! Humor at end. Nice touch if scum.
#1223: I wonder what this could be a reference to!
#1240: Details

SirCakez

Spoiler:

#881: Do you know them well enough to state this with confidence or is this a one game thing?
#896: Nuance Shove. This must be why they call you sir.
#898: Explanation given post-wagon formation. This is a more subtle push at Cabd's authority maybe? Gunna file this thought away under the Cake Agenda.
#909: And here I thought my translation services wouldn't be needed for Pooky. He's saying how you give away town reads is too easy, not that you give too many. He does tend to mix his metaphors around a little it looks like. Cabd is using meta references so that only certain players get it. In this case you didn't actually need the metaphor to get it though. This is I think my first time playing with Cabd as a not hydra and while I got this one, I get a little annoyed when I don't. Maybe Tammy has a point.
#920: I guess this must be why they call you Cakez.
#930: Have you never heard of a pet peeve before?
#942: Legitimacy: Gamma edition?
#943: Maybe.
#1144: Sigh, here we go again. Well, here we go. Have you ever played a large theme or how many large themed games have you played? Have you ever done this gambit as scum. Have you ever seen scum do this gambit. Have you ever thought to yourself "boy it would sure be neat if I faked not knowing whether there was day chat or not as scum!" Have you ever thought about the poor townsfolk that have to WIFOM themselves to death when you do dis? Oh well. Re Bulge: Not same.
#1151: Hey, thematically appropriate! Very townie.
#1243: O D D B A L L

Something_Smart

Spoiler:

#959: Looking for handles?
#960: There's also the air you like to float in. Do you have any reads yet?
#963: Good to know. Thanks.
#965: Nope. Seen both.
#967: Very scummy.
#978: Oh, I see. You were criticizing SirCakez logic for what I was criticizing your logic for. MB.
#985: Empiricism or it didn't happen (enough)
#1172: That is not a chaos emerald in your head.
#1190: insert some sort of about to say something, but ends up walking away gif.
#1204: an IMO post.
#1239: Are you though? This seems about right? Do you thread avoid as scum? I didn't get that impression.
#1244: *clap*

Syryana

Spoiler:

*Mostly aimed at you and fferyllt even though fferyllt hasn't done anything yet as of page 40 (I'm not a hypocrite, YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE).
#988: Do you usually have strong scum reads by this point?
#1074: FWIW: as of this page, you're a weak town lean. mostly due to friendliness tell.
#1109: So nice! What a nice guy you are. RIP Eliza.
#1159: *Knocks over table* Hey, you did something! And it was even kind of townie!
#1176. Fair. Hmm to the rest of that.

Alisae

Spoiler:

#1092: Hi there.
#1114: The latter. Wandering chickens is my more typical MO. The larger the game the more I wander cause it's hard to follow 17 people.
Walk me through your sentinel scum read. why aren't you voting any of them?
#1128: The way people are using LHF I'm starting to wonder if I'm misunderstanding what the acronym means. I thought it meant looking to have fun, which presumably, we're all looking to have.

petapan

Spoiler:

#868: Lazy.
#870: The fuck you say
#882: The fuck you say
#892: You have conviction?
#969: Is the sketch of you sitting on a fence
#991: *gasp* you let Gamma think you were tunneling and now you used invisible parentheses so they'll never know the truth. Huh. Hmm.

0.02 TP for this. but

#994: Same, but it's day one so I don't even know why you're bothering to say this.
#1015: Sure.
#1052: He's a floater. In your eye. Why are you tuning it out instead of pursuing it?
#1053: I've noticed your notice. I do that as scum, here's 0.01 scum points. Don't spend it all in one place.
#1055: Empathy.
#1137: Standard follow up.
#1160: Pinged. Self narration.
#1167: This is a good approach.
#1170: Right turn.
#1177: Bleh.
1180: My problem is that you were literally spinning a narrative and giving the rest of us a scenario, like you were selling it.
#1181: Unexpected.
#1235: Should I buy this Peta?

Tammy

Spoiler:

851# Code Geass Mafia. 4 years ago. Opening play is fairly similar to this one. But their posts are much shorter, less focused. But 18 now 22. They brushed people off and poked their heads in either to change non-conducive discourse or give an opinion.
#867:Reasonable.
#910: Odd. you're attacking his hypocrisy instead of considering his point. Playstyle isn't one or the other. You can use your playstyle differently depending on whether you're scum or town so saying it's playstyle is more the beginning of a conversation than the end of one. Bounce off? mmm.
#954: That's one hell of an asterisk.
#1031: You described that well enough to get a laugh out of me. Thanks.
#1036: Empathy.
#1044: Concurrence.
#1061: Well, I'm wifoming over this post.
#1140: Is this an accurate summary: I think Cabd would believe that Syrana is town if FF told you she thought he was town. If this isn't some sort of test, are you scum?
#1154: Why were you beating yourself up in the first place?
#1197: Where is this emotion coming from?

PookyTheMagicalBear

Spoiler:

#862: The metaphors got mixed, who's the low hanging fruit? you?
#869: Bummer. I liked her.
#891: He seems bland rather than sweet. Do you mean in general or do you mean for him specifically? Priorities. I feel u.
#895: He might just be the

hero

monster we need this game.
#904: Oh, I guess not.
#914: Can't spell irony without an arrow to the knee. Why is Tammy 100% town for that post?
#918: Good q.
#929: It's a townie post, you should read it.
#948: Arrow #2.
#1112: I care. Why don't you?
#1162: Oh hey.
#1164: Hey, he looked at 6 (allegedly) games!
#1165: Mom, is that you?
#1167: He could probably guess.
#1174: Didn't he make an earlier post about tunneling players until they town told? He's not doing that.
#1196: ?
#1202: thought you might!

The Bulge

Spoiler:

#1120: Hey there. No pressure.
#1127: Push. Never know what you're going to get.
#1241: It was pretty funny wasn't it?

Jake The Wolfie

Spoiler:

852# Is this a thing?
#854 self fulfilling prophecy is self fulfilling
#1131: Can I lend you a shovel?
#1139: So gut? Why do you read Sentinel as scum? They seem quite townie to me.

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler:

#894: This post makes sense if you replace tunnel with "first thing that could possibly be construed as townie"
#911: Mafia is more complex when we're not all anonymous and meeting each other for the first time. My default mentality is that I don't want to eliminate them day 1 and that's a problem when you're not supposed to play like or think like that.
#913: Legitimacy is make believe. But I think it requires more than just the person making the argument to think it's legit to be legit. You seem to be stopping yourself from being drawn into discussions on non-game related things which is good.
#922: Ditto.
#931: Not really.
#940: Sure, but is it scummy?
#943:I thought it was a literature thing and this was just a gross misapplication of the cliche.
#961: RFTWR. Nahdia's posts pings a little. They seem to be fence sitting and room watching.
#979: I don't see it.
#1013: Moldy bread tell.
#1078: I'm not. You're hard to read.
#1080. Yeah, i literally meant I forgot how accurate you were.
#1213: They activated their townie aura that makes town and scum run for the hills. When you look again though.I just feel like I watched a cartoon. (time travel to 3 minutes later, oh I just opened the spoiler and: Same.
#1221:Nahdia -> Tswifty.
#1223: Tayswifty could be town Too tho. Therefore
#1227: She did? Where?

DiamondSentinel

Spoiler:

#853, what kind of scum tell is that? Lol.
#859 Why is that a universal scum read? In regards to #789, at first I thought he was joking, but actually there's no trace of humor there. In regards to Cabd's dream post what about it makes you think its townie? it's certainly an odd angle of attack but it doesn't seem inherently townie.
#861: I've never seen scum use it that way before. Or at least, thought about it differently.
#871: You've meta'd Cabd for this game specifically or was this incidental?
#875: Imagine alt slipping within your first two posts and getting booted from that game.
#924: This must be what Pooky felt like when he was talking to me.
#928: A little too honest. Also, maybe not the best idea to give out your playbook. Townie perspective, but outside the game so mmm. Half-point.
#932: I feel attacked.
#981: ...
#1116: True dis, so what?
#1260: Hmph very well! You can be town I guess. Shut up peta.

Nahdia

Spoiler:

#993: Well that's a miss.
#1002: What is?
#1012: Makes sense.
#1018: Depends on the scum.
#1126: Empathy. I mean no, I don't feel bad at all! Trej: Taylor.
#1155: Thanks Nahdia. I hope you sort yourself out too.
#1158: I'm not confident I can read Cabd at all. FF I think I can.
#1171: Would binge several seasons.
#1179: Snappy for TV
#1189: Snappy for TVX2. You're unique.
#1205: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
#1209: I too think this. But it's pretty irrational.
#1211: Not sure if serious. Are you serious?

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[Tammy]

Syry you wanna know what I love about you? You read a post and go boom town guys or yeah boom scum here it is.

There’s no gee I don’t know let me chew my nails and check out the seating arrangements on this fence.

I envy that.

[Something_Smart]

Do you have any reads yet?

no

there is way too much discussion that is orthogonal to anything I want to talk about.

Do you thread avoid as scum?

Sometimes.

[Syryana]

Syry you wanna know what I love about you? You read a post and go boom town guys or yeah boom scum here it is.

There’s no gee I don’t know let me chew my nails and check out the seating arrangements on this fence.

I envy that.

Hell did you not read my massive waffle-wall about Bell in FGO game on d0

But yeah sometimes I see things that make me go "BAM that's fucking town" and petapan just did it for me

Sometimes I see posts like that one Nahdia made I fussed over yesterday and go "what a fucking scum post"

Don't feel too envious though because sometimes I go full steam ahead and yeet myself and everyone else off a cliff like lemmings!

[Syryana]

Even though lemmings don't actually do that because Walt Disney is a goddamn liar may he burn in whatever freezer he's in.

[Bell]

#Syrana: Archer was the first person to call him townie for that and I didn't think he was townie for that. He also said he was mimicking (or maybe that was a joke?* Invitation to clarify) someone else's play at the time.
Self narration is a scum tell I used since I got back with varying accuracy.

@Tammy, Forever ago I played a newbie game with you and I lost. The alt was named Knell. I thought Lancer was scum in part because I felt he was borrowing the reasoning of town and applying it poorly to current circumstances. But I don't remember (and I have a fair memory for this) getting that feel from you when I lost.

[Bell]

Do you have any reads yet?

no

there is way too much discussion that is orthogonal to anything I want to talk about.

Do you thread avoid as scum?

Sometimes.

What would you like to talk about?

[Tammy]

#Syrana: Archer was the first person to call him townie for that and I didn't think he was townie for that. He also said he was mimicking (or maybe that was a joke?* Invitation to clarify) someone else's play at the time.
Self narration is a scum tell I used since I got back with varying accuracy.

@Tammy, Forever ago I played a newbie game with you and I lost. The alt was named Knell. I thought Lancer was scum in part because I felt he was borrowing the reasoning of town and applying it poorly to current circumstances. But I don't remember (and I have a fair memory for this) getting that feel from you when I lost.

Intrigued! I haven’t played in that many newbie games. I hate pushing newbies as scum; it causes me a lot of angst. I don’t follow what the lancer bit refers to though. I wasn’t lancer.