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[duppin]

Why is that an issue? I don't see any links between the two and they have almost zero interaction

It is an issue because if you are town then I know for a fact the read is wrong (unless some weird stuff with one of the confirmed being towns or only a 2 man team) plus the biggest issue is probably that you did not provide a reason.
You only just provided an explanation recently, not initially and that explanation is kind of the opposite of distancing in terms of the words general meaning in mafia.

[Noraa]

hardly interacted = distancing last I checked...

[duppin]

I am not sure this discussion is really useful though. But if you are town then we can talk about this post game if you want. If others disagree they can obviously chime in, but I stand by my belief that there is no logical reason to believe that they can not be together and you forming that read based on them having no interaction is a dangerous approach.

but yes i think ill stop this topic for now because i dont think its that important right now

[Noraa]

Why is that an issue? I don't see any links between the two and they have almost zero interaction

It is an issue because if you are town then I know for a fact the read is wrong (unless some weird stuff with one of the confirmed being towns or only a 2 man team) plus the biggest issue is probably that you did not provide a reason.
You only just provided an explanation recently, not initially and that explanation is kind of the opposite of distancing in terms of the words general meaning in mafia.

yesterday I said I would provide an explanation later and a few posts after that u were like Noraa can't justify anything when I literally said I would do it later and now ur upsetti that my justification came today. I don't understand what's up with this. I have my reasons and my logic. Them not being the same as urs doesn't mean I'm scum literally I don't understand what ur doing rn if ur town. The more I interact, the more I feel like ur scum.

[VP Baltar]

From my perspective, you both could be town here.

Duppin feels like Haschel is confirmed scum because of the counterclaim. Noraa feels Gamma is confirmed scum because he's got to be in the pairing if Ythan and I are both town.

Duppin, my view is slightly more sympathetic to Noraa's perspective because I don't know if you're town for sure or not.

That's basically where we are.

[Noraa]

I am not sure this discussion is really useful though. But if you are town then we can talk about this post game if you want. If others disagree they can obviously chime in, but I stand by my belief that there is no logical reason to believe that they can not be together and you forming that read based on them having no interaction is a dangerous approach.

but yes i think ill stop this topic for now because i dont think its that important right now

finally something I agree with. we can talk post game.

[Ythan]

Ythan - can I get your in depth thoughts and instincts here?

After work I'll do this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I don’t expect to be able to do much at this point, I’m in a bad spot for irl interfering with ability to play and it won’t get better soon, so honestly I’d rather we get on with whatever decision we’re gonna make

[VP Baltar]

Ythan - can I get your in depth thoughts and instincts here?

After work I'll do this.

I guess I should inquire how many hours it is until work ends

[Ythan]

I just walked in the door at home. I'll do this once I can settle down.

When did I get so busy.

[VP Baltar]

I just walked in the door at home. I'll do this once I can settle down.

When did I get so busy.

No prob. I didn't want to assume your work schedule.


On a separate note, Noraa, we should look at Haschel's night actions and see if he said anything that wouldn't automatically be clear from being scum. I think that entire N1 fiasco could be figured out by the scum team and faked as a voyeur

[Ythan]

Shortcut for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

If gamma was town(this means duppin/haschel is the solve), he would immediately OMGUS me bc from his perspective it would look like scum!Noraa is getting a mislim on him. Cuz I'm pretty sure? that gamma also agrees that duppin/haschel isnt the solve. Idk but I feel like if I was in town!gamma's position(assuming the slot is town which btw I DO NOT believe is true), I would not stay silent and just let everyone sus me. In fact, I'd be very very mad if I was getting sussed like this as town and write a huge huge wall case on why the scum isnt me. I just feel like the reaction we r getting from gamma rn r not townie at all :/

Except I’m not sure which 1v1 is better to lim in rn. If I thought me vs. you was I would be pushing you, but imo duppin vs. Haschel seems like the better choice, because I at least have a mechanical reasoning there instead of just what amount to a he-said she-said.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a hard time thinking gamma = noraa here.

Noraa is actually working here it seems. If she's scum, it's pretty good scum play.

You are being extremely basic rn and the fact you’re conftown just makes me hate you for it because I can’t write it off as “he just scum”.
Effort != alignment, ever, except maybe in fringe cases, this not being one of them. Both alignments have reason to try.

[Gamma Emerald]

I told u that my logic that u r more town than haschel but u r more likely with gamma drove me insane. why tf is this scum indicative?

because from my point of view you are claiming
a) that you are 100% sure Gamma is scum
b) that Gamma and Haschel are not scumbuddies

this means whether intentional or not that the team you are pushing is me and Gamma - which is perfectly reasonable in itself, however it is the fact that you stated that you could not see Gamma and Haschel being together that it is issue. The issue is not that you think me and Gamma are more likely to be together due to my claim

Where/how did Noraa say this, because it’s a pretty solid point for it being Noraa/Haschel, Noraa would be trying to lim me but also trying to avoid putting herself in a position to need to bus without looking like she’s defending her buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Haschel
I don’t have time to sit and waste away while trying to figure things out to the finest detail. I think voyeur is a more scum role than MD in this setup. I can explain why later possibly, but I stand by that pretty firmly

[Ythan]

I'm inclined to say I'll eliminate you if you don't unvote.

[VP Baltar]

This feels like some serious flailing from gamma but who the hell knows this game bc so many town have played scummy af

[Ythan]

Am I missing something or did they not kill because it's xylo regardless and there's a motion detector.

What are the odds the the voyeur or md scum and the no kill is to pretend the PR is town and they're scurred.

[Ythan]

Am I missing something or did they not kill because it's xylo regardless and there's a motion detector.

Right. The no kill in some ways makes the most sense if duppin is town. Though I think worrying about why the scum did that could be a fool's errand to some degree.

Oh yeah this is pretty true though.

[Ythan]

Really am leaning Nora town.

[Ythan]

Awfully quiet Haschel.

Taking a break here wfk.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well that’s not happening until I wake up tomorrow at the very least @Ythan

[Ythan]

Your funeral.

[VP Baltar]

Drunk and feel like voting gamma