Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[PenguinPower]

Fair correction there. Pulling me into a mechanics discussion (though you still don’t make sense there bings.)

link to next VC (post 1375)

[PenguinPower]

Yes.

[SirCakez]

mechanics talk is going in circles nobody cares

[Bingle]

i'm kinda disappointed

You're kinda disappointed because you think I should have more townreads? Who should I be townreading here? You? ABR? Pineslot?

Like... I don't have reads because I haven't seen things that really strike me as indicative. This entire PL has been a big ball of null, myself included. The fact that we haven't been able to get a wagon past two or three players other than the wagon on the guy who posted like three times total and then lurk replaced kinda proves my point.

[Fun and Games]

Oh right sircakez can be town too

Now what should i do with the rest of you ...

[SirCakez]

i'm kinda disappointed

You're kinda disappointed because you think I should have more townreads? Who should I be townreading here? You? ABR? Pineslot?

Like... I don't have reads because I haven't seen things that really strike me as indicative. This entire PL has been a big ball of null, myself included. The fact that we haven't been able to get a wagon past two or three players other than the wagon on the guy who posted like three times total and then lurk replaced kinda proves my point.

give us something to work with or die

[SirCakez]

nobody can call 55 pages of content null

[Fun and Games]

i'm kinda disappointed

You're kinda disappointed because you think I should have more townreads? Who should I be townreading here? You? ABR? Pineslot?

Like... I don't have reads because I haven't seen things that really strike me as indicative. This entire PL has been a big ball of null, myself included. The fact that we haven't been able to get a wagon past two or three players other than the wagon on the guy who posted like three times total and then lurk replaced kinda proves my point.

... we've had two gamedays and you're telling me you have 1.5 townreads
yeah like more than half the game has been a big ball of lurk but:

- you basically don't have any reasons for voting penguin outside of omgus
- i believe that town!you can do better than literally having 1.5 townreads at this stage

[SirCakez]

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

[PenguinPower]

Hydra does.

[Fun and Games]

Spoiler:

We can lynch IKSF or Penguin. Make your choices.

i'm gonna be stubborn and say no, those are awful choices, and i decline them

~ skitter

yes, and i do not want to wagon iks

Why not?

he's been lowkey townie and the sudden push on him is p classic deadline push on a lowhanging fruit that nobody is explaining how or why the slot is scummy

i will not support it and will protest the whole way down

~ skitter

Spoiler:

some people would infer from my behaviour that i obviously don't feel like im in danger of dying

I have to defend cmod here.
I think cmod should use the ability on himself/ his strongest townread to raise speed or on Gamma to raise strength (if I interpret that speed drop correctly).

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.

Pine is scum because he has 4 knowledge, knowledge makes it easier to activate labs, 2 labs were activated and only scum can activate labs. Also, people don't townread him and since our friends ended day 1 quickly, we are still in late RVS. At least where it comes to non-mechanical stuff.

Scum don't have night kill. Actually, town have more night actions than scum, so night phase is somewhat as good for town as scum. Which means that there are 3-4 scum. My theory is 3 scum + traitor/ 3p or 4 scum.

Note: this game had nightstart
Gamma recieved knowledge today. Scum decreased knowledge of Nosferatu (he claimed), so if Nos is town, Gamma had to visit library. If Nos is town, he will die soon, so it is self resolving. Cmod went exploring and recieved item -> didn't activate lab. Also, he claimed ability to be able to raise 1 stat. I scum could make a better use of that ability that to claim.

@cmod

what did you do n0?

Gamma, nor cmod aren't conf town, but they are mechanically townleans and should be lynched with lowered priority.

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

We almost have enough votes for Pine. We can just lynch him. Who would you attack if you were me?

My point was, that if there are two scummy people and we have people who want to attack at night, we should lynch the other person and kill Pine at night, to give him chance to destroy labs. There are no idle labs, so we aren't risking

that

much.

It is still early for me to have reads, but if I had to attack, I would attack Cakez.
2 Strength, voted George, was counterwagon to George, no solving in his ISO, wasn't attacked by maf tonight even though he had 2 strength.

he's been very quietly saying the right things at the right tiem and overall is just full of good sense

also 796 in particular was very good

~ skitter

^^^

[Fun and Games]

whoops i broke the spoiler

[SirCakez]

Hydra does.

@fun and games why?

[PenguinPower]

Not in the bad way though.

P-edit

See above.

[Fun and Games]

see broken spoiler

[Nosferatu]

pedit i would compromise on chara if necessary, but i think we should be voting johnny

sorry if i missed it whats the tldr for scum!johnny

[Bingle]

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

Seriously skitter? You're telling me you townread this?

[Fun and Games]

Weak? Yes. Dark motivations? No. I've been pretty up front about not voting penguin, Albert, etc. People keep wagoning those i suspect

dude you made a whole thing about finding us scummy, couldn't say why, and when you read our iso to try to justify your read couldn't really come up with anything

you understand why that looks bad, no? and why that looks to me like you were trying to justify your push on us

also weren't you scumreading albert earlier? and indicated you were willing to push/vote him?

also you keep flipping your vote, and seem to lack conviction over anything ...

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

Seriously skitter? You're telling me you townread this?

...
i'd have preferred a response wherein you explained the bad penguin vote or you explain how you only have 1.5 townreads at this stage

(aside i do think i am kinda close-ish to being out of my scumrange)

[Fun and Games]

also i really want chara and noraa to, like, say things before day's end

[Bingle]

There was also this whole thing where skitter thought that Johnny was faking being behind on the mechanics and slipped about knowing that scum had an ability to give knowledge.

The counter argument, of course, is "why would Johnny who wants to clear himself based on role redundancy outright say that his role came from a random room event?"

[SirCakez]

see broken spoiler

what do you mean by "right things at the right time"? I'm not really seeing it. and your argument that he's a LHF last minute push doesn't really hold water because there's no wagon there

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

Seriously skitter? You're telling me you townread this?

lol get out of here with this flailing

[Nosferatu]

cakez is out for blood

[Fun and Games]

There was also this whole thing where skitter thought that Johnny was faking being behind on the mechanics and slipped about knowing that scum had an ability to give knowledge.

The counter argument, of course, is "why would Johnny who wants to clear himself based on role redundancy outright say that his role came from a random room event?"

i don't understand the counter argument

[SirCakez]

I'm feeling slightly
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Violent tonight