Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Krazy]

pooky what would you say are your best scumgames?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i once won a 32 player large by cop claiming very early

[Hectic]

in scum!pooky world, he kills catboi just to break up the 1v1 there? have you seen scumpooky before, does he make 'obvious' nightkills?

I've only seen scum!Pooky play once (a game I moderated), where scum had no nightkills, and he was the first elim anyway.

Oh wait, Pooky as SK killed me N1 that one time.

Remind me why you did that when I didn't scumread you, Pooky? To frame?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

to frame starbuck because starbuck was obv scum

[Krazy]

Trying to wrap my head around the second half of your pooky case, why is him deliberating for a long time on redtea scummy and not townie? If you're town offering him a free wagon, if he waits to join you for longer than it would make sense to gain towncred for being 'thoughtful' and instead it gets to the point you're finding it scummy because he's indecisive, why isn't the simpler answer that he was just town evaluating whether your push was good or bad? I ask because not the parts you quoted, but his later approach to my slot was one of the reasons I thought he had high town equity frankly, he seemed to be willing to actively evaluate the redtea slot (ie my slot) not just on prism's meta but also off NKA. If he was scum he could have just as easily pushed hard there for *whatever* reason and then made up an excuse of not wanting to back off because of replacement.

[Krazy]

i once won a 32 player large by cop claiming very early

very nice, link?

[Hectic]

It wasn't day 1, but you did a fair amount of distancing with Aldu in coalition Pooky, you had him in your scumsolve (while pushing the town in there ofc). I feel like it's similar to distancing from Ele's slot before you finally realised you had to vote him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1625

It was a long time ago.

This one is also fairly memorable:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1555

lots of shenanigans there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It wasn't day 1, but you did a fair amount of distancing with Aldu in coalition Pooky, you had him in your scumsolve (while pushing the town in there ofc). I feel like it's similar to distancing from Ele's slot before you finally realised you had to vote him.

I never put Aldus in danger. I don't do that to scum-teammates

[Hectic]

Hectic, I wish I had some bigger question for you but I don't, Pooky is probably town, reread Day 1 and stop working backwards gdi

I did reread day 1! That's why I landed on Pooky-scum

[Krazy]

random question but would you say you use more gifs as town than as scum, or did you more just start using gifs recently and they'll just be absent from older games?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In coalition I only distanced off him to set up him up for later. I usually tank suspicion on the scum team because I have a wide array of defense measures. I do not let other people tank for me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

random question but would you say you use more gifs as town than as scum, or did you more just start using gifs recently and they'll just be absent from older games?

I only started using gifs after coming back to the site post pandemic and seeing other people use them.

[Hectic]

Trying to wrap my head around the second half of your pooky case, why is him deliberating for a long time on redtea scummy and not townie? If you're town offering him a free wagon, if he waits to join you for longer than it would make sense to gain towncred for being 'thoughtful' and instead it gets to the point you're finding it scummy because he's indecisive, why isn't the simpler answer that he was just town evaluating whether your push was good or bad? I ask because not the parts you quoted, but his later approach to my slot was one of the reasons I thought he had high town equity frankly, he seemed to be willing to actively evaluate the redtea slot (ie my slot) not just on prism's meta but also off NKA. If he was scum he could have just as easily pushed hard there for *whatever* reason and then made up an excuse of not wanting to back off because of replacement.

Right, it looked unnatural to me because he wasn't committing to anything, like it was designed to give of the impression he was evaluating, and he was afraid of joining because he knows it'll flip town. Maybe I am overthinking this part of it and confibiasing though. (This is all based on memory)

[Krazy]

vote Mith

investigation says guilty, i got a dead innocent day one so I am fairly certain of my sanity,

nuff said

I like that you don't actually fully reveal the full investigative title lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would i be scared of committing to Krazy when literally every1 was all in on krazy?

if anything scum pooky should be scared of committing to a push on Town-Hectic

[Krazy]

Me and Talitha are the uh, "bad guys"

However we have a really awesome win condition in that if either one of us survives into end of the game, both of us win(along with whoever normally wins in the endgame).

Basically if Flanders has been telling the truth about his ability, we can all win(us 2 baddies and the town)

We can nolynch, and flanders can convert one of us at night.

Next day, we will lynch the nonconverted out of me and tally, and since only townsfolk will be left.

We will all win together , the town winning cuz its townie only left, and me/tally winning cuz one of us survived to the endgame.

was this actually true?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nope we already won at that point though

[Krazy]

I'm so confused reading the first post of that game what actually happened LOL

sounds like an insane (semi-bastard by today's standards) setup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it was a pretty wild setup

[Krazy]

why would i be scared of committing to Krazy when literally every1 was all in on krazy?

if anything scum pooky should be scared of committing to a push on Town-Hectic

prism and tayl0r I think were the other two opposed to my slot being scum at the time, so it wasn't everyone but it was definitely closer to a consensus position than not

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yup and I already had reasons to suspect redtea to begin with from D1 so it wasn't even much of a stretch that I continue my suspicion of redtea.

[Krazy]

so pooky summary

scumcase:
some scummy posts day 1
some weird perspective things when talking to scum in early game
hectic sees push on his slot as scummy as well

vs.

towncase:
meta against grain for early bussing
night kill maybe "too obvious" (this one debatable I guess)
play toward my slot more likely to come from town than scum trying to pocket

I don't think it's healthy to ignore major tone issues so I'll think about the posts that got your attention, but the points of the towncase do give me significant pause when re-evaluating this slot. Like I think we can make the argument that points 1 and 2 of towncase would normally put this slot in the upper half

then again I feel like half my tanner case is tone so lol I don't want to be a hypocrite and say "oh no my tonereads are better than your tonereads!"

[Krazy]

especially when hectic's % on mid-game tonereads is probably +% compared to mine LOL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wouldn't kill Catboi N1. in my mind catboi was still susp to me