Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you don't need to get into a conversation with someone to make reads...

That's how I make reads though. I talk to people.

[fferyllt]

@ff: makes sense to me. But I'm more concerned with the other way around.
Your reads are yours. I'm pretty sure I'm more scared of town binning scum than the other way around. I try not to let personal biases on favorites effect my reads. I rarely think "I can sort X later, but not Y" preferring to try to solve right then and there due to limited time/ getting nked/regrets for not doing the thing that I think will unlock the puzzle of that player/feeling like I didn't give the player a fair shot.

Yes, actually I want to make sure I can accurately understand what you were doing on those two posts. I'm glad you rested well.

All of it.

Do you understand now?

I get what you're saying about limited time, too, though I'm not as frequent an N1K as I used to be. I feel like what you're calling "biases on favorites" is what I call "experiential meta" and the "biases" go many ways: easy to read, hard to read, near-impossible to read.

[SirCakez]

It's impressive tho that Cakez is now quoting from an entirely different game. I don't think I've seen this play before.

I DONT KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I said, you must be an incredibly talented player

[SirCakez]

What would you like to talk about?

I mean, if I knew, I'd be talking about it :/

The meta discussions are alienating. People seem to be by and large going with the flow and not really doing anything that stands out. And like I'm sure there IS readable content in there but I don't have the skill nor the patience to extract it.

This is what that quote was supposed to be
"I'm scum and don't want to effort"

[petapan]

Sometimes I see posts like that one Nahdia made I fussed over yesterday and go "what a fucking scum post"

mind clarifying which post that was?

This one

there's a reasonable chance at least one of the 2012 circlejerk is scum and im hoping they just sort themselves out so i dont have to

As soon as I read this I thought to myself what a scum motivated post this was because the circlejerk as they put it is dangerously close to all townreading each other and at least two members of said jerk are exceptionally prone to paranoia and this is the exact kind of thing scum would say to stir that pot without actually explicitly calling someone out.

i have actually seen town players make that type of post in a game offsite, except it was a slightly different tenor, where they were concerned about a somewhat close-knit group meta-reading each other as town too easily (and they were right! one of the players in that circle was scum). but that was paranoia, this is actually more...complacency? like, "oh, someone will sort it out". which is maybe not the best approach but is it a guaranteed scumpost? idk

[midwaybear]

This is what that quote was supposed to be
"I'm scum and don't want to effort"

Pooky basically said the same thing

[petapan]

you don't need to get into a conversation with someone to make reads...

That's how I make reads though. I talk to people.

were you hoping to get a read on me earlier

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's unlikely I'd get a solid read, I was mostly just bored and you were one of the few people I've seen before around here.

[petapan]

lol fair enough, i enjoyed the bantz, i would be worried if that was supposed to be a real attempt

[Syryana]

i have actually seen town players make that type of post in a game offsite, except it was a slightly different tenor, where they were concerned about a somewhat close-knit group meta-reading each other as town too easily (and they were right! one of the players in that circle was scum). but that was paranoia, this is actually more...complacency? like, "oh, someone will sort it out". which is maybe not the best approach but is it a guaranteed scumpost? idk

I mean it's one thing to inject that sort of sentiment and go "Hey x, y, z, I think you might be townreading w a little too easily" and then segue into some followup case/questions/interactions/interrogations/summoning servants but here, it just sits on a list of pointing at things going "hey, i might or might not disagree" and/or arguing with you

Hmm. I typed out like 4 or 5 different inclusions to my argument here and didn't really like any of them. It's possible this is a playstyle clash. I'll have to think about it.

Nice chat, peta!

[DiamondSentinel]

okay so I caught up and like
I don't have much to say or like add
honestly when I read up I feel like its just the same people posting and I don't really see a problem with any of it.

Quite frankly, I have no idea why the only read that Diamond is still pushing is Jake.
I'm not sure why voting Nahdia is productive when ideally that slot should be trying to generate content instead of just AtE
I have no idea why I feel like Pooky hasn't really done much aside from being a fun person to chat with
I'm starting to get concerned with Bulge's activity


I'm probably not voting any of Cabd, ffery, tammy, syr, midway, ss, cakez, peta, or gamma right now at least for the given moment.

1. They are doing literally nothing helpful.
2. What little they have posted screams of low effort thinly veiled scum-posting.
3. They're the one read I'm certain of.
4. They're a push that I'm confident can actually gain some traction.

I know that it hurts that I"m pushing your scumbuddy, but sometimes you just gotta let it go.

[Bell]

Made a post that you responded to so we could talk.


1. My understanding was that the post was similar in that they classified people in a list, the rule of three which is used for literature, was being used here in a game of mafia. It lacks nuance and context and giving it credibility or an entertaining it as anything more than the equivalent in accuracy to a food tell is not going to inspire confidence.
3. does it seem that way to you?
4. Your action was to fence sit by not voting or making it more clear what was sketchy about it. It's empty because you didn't pursue, didn't explain it at the time I responded to that post (by necessity really). It probably didn't help that it was a reworked sentence about you sketching a sketching of a sketcher sketching.
5. To me it was scummy that you let the misinterpretation sit initially. Then you turned back around corrected him between the posts. Scum gradient goes up, scum gradient goes down. There's an element of time to my posts which I already explained where impressions of events change.
6. I'm not following.
9. Yes that was what I was trying to get you to say. Because I'm always challenging my reads on people and I wanted to see if you would.
11. I was leaning scum on you, but you defied those impressions by doing something townie or reversing the initial impression as mistaken.
12. Asking people directly is what I do. It creates a scenario where scum get nervous that town might respond accurately. Scum might hesitate to be too intimate or ask another person to trust them. It's a test and it's always been intended as one. You answered, I'm thinking. Much of mafia is about asking yourself what you choose to believe about what's town and what's scum. I just broke it along a different axis between whether what someone is saying is true or not and what people's responses to that might be and how that might help me read them.
13. I made a post and asked you to read it and you came back which is the beginning of a resolution one way or another. You've gotten 2 such resolutions, did you earn it? Did you scare scum off you? or did you cow town into backing off?

[petapan]

Cabd
#850: Push.
#984: Did you roll scum this game?

#898: Explanation given post-wagon formation. This is a more subtle push at Cabd's authority maybe? Gunna file this thought away under the Cake Agenda.

i have to ask if these are consistent thoughts you're putting together in your head as you read the game, or what b/c they seem unfocused in a bad way. i don't mean this as a "gotcha" but this seems like a wild vacillation

[Bell]

Scum Cabd and town Cabd live in the same universe in my head. Until you open the box and see what's inside I don't know what's in it for sure.

[Tammy]

2020 where wall offs have become odd bulleted number offs. A downgrade.

I don't really understand what bell is doing this game if he's town.

[fferyllt]

Cabd, want to talk Jake meta?

[Bell]

2020 where wall offs have become odd bulleted number offs. A downgrade.

I don't really understand what bell is doing this game if he's town.

Well I did just explain my thought process and you didn't read that so.

Where in 2020 are the walls offs?

[Something_Smart]

"I'm town and don't want to effort"

FTFY

[Something_Smart]

Specifically, I don't want to effort when I know it won't accomplish anything worthwhile.

[Tammy]

I don't think gamma-scum makes 979 in the main thread if he can make it in the scum PT.

This post? Why not?

nah because the bear's town

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Hi!

Spoiler: People Town Reading Archer Masonry PT

Pop Quiz, who are my other town reads and why?

Spoiler:

Me. ~reasons~

Did you and Syr end up in a black hole? Or are you moon gazing with blue balls?

This might just be a general in-joke but I thought of Advance Wars when I saw this

I kinda dig the RP it adds vibes

Not really. It just gives Pooky something to hide behind while he’s definitely capable of more. A successful town has everyone engaged and focused, so I think Pooky should just stop if he is town.

ah yes the engaged and focus townie police are here to make sure everyone is focused and on-task. excellent. its page 11 now, definitely time to start super tryharding, because the more you try the better you play.

"oh look at me I'm such a towny stick-in-the-mud!"
It seems more like you're objecting to the roleplay for optics than for actually disliking it.

[SirCakez]

Specifically, I don't want to effort when I know it won't accomplish anything worthwhile.

How can you assume this

[petapan]

Made a post that you responded to so we could talk.


1. My understanding was that the post was similar in that they classified people in a list, the rule of three which is used for literature, was being used here in a game of mafia. It lacks nuance and context and giving it credibility or an entertaining it as anything more than the equivalent in accuracy to a food tell is not going to inspire confidence.
3. does it seem that way to you?
4. Your action was to fence sit by not voting or making it more clear what was sketchy about it. It's empty because you didn't pursue, didn't explain it at the time I responded to that post (by necessity really). It probably didn't help that it was a reworked sentence about you sketching a sketching of a sketcher sketching.
5. To me it was scummy that you let the misinterpretation sit initially. Then you turned back around corrected him between the posts. Scum gradient goes up, scum gradient goes down. There's an element of time to my posts which I already explained where impressions of events change.
6. I'm not following.
9. Yes that was what I was trying to get you to say. Because I'm always challenging my reads on people and I wanted to see if you would.
11. I was leaning scum on you, but you defied those impressions by doing something townie or reversing the initial impression as mistaken.
12. Asking people directly is what I do. It creates a scenario where scum get nervous that town might respond accurately. Scum might hesitate to be too intimate or ask another person to trust them. It's a test and it's always been intended as one. You answered, I'm thinking. Much of mafia is about asking yourself what you choose to believe about what's town and what's scum. I just broke it along a different axis between whether what someone is saying is true or not and what people's responses to that might be and how that might help me read them.
13. I made a post and asked you to read it and you came back which is the beginning of a resolution one way or another. You've gotten 2 such resolutions, did you earn it? Did you scare scum off you? or did you cow town into backing off?

it's not just the listing of names but the

way

they go about it but i don't really want to go further on this discussion given it was a light read that isn't relevant to me anymore.

yes, i had gotten no meaningful impression your read on me changed and your catchup was definitely taking potshots my way. was i supposed to think otherwise? most of the stuff you said toward me was negative!

is not giving reasons fence sitting? you know what "fence sitting" is, dude, that's not the definition. i don't always out reasons when i say things right away. that should not be unexpected or scummy

it took a minute for me to mull over him townreading me in my head before i decided i had an issue there, but felt, eh, maybe challenging him immediately isn't the best approach, maybe he's being a little trusting, then subsequent posts amplified that feeling based on tone

you were...trying to get me to say i was interested in your thought process?

am i supposed to divine from "Unexpected. " that this is somehow me defying your expectations in a way that lead to you changing your read because

none of that

came through and if that's the case for me it's hard to say where your reads are on nearly anyone. and for that matter, where, exactly did i do something townie or reverse that initial impression?

with regard to 12: should i buy this?

the resolution i was hoping for in this exchange was not you backing off me, but you saying something that made sense to me. i haven't gotten it.

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

2020 where wall offs have become odd bulleted number offs. A downgrade.

I don't really understand what bell is doing this game if he's town.

Well I did just explain my thought process and you didn't read that so.

Where in 2020 are the walls offs?

I'm pretty sure I've read all your posts?