Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.035
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	Noraa	EL-6	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Chara	CreativeMod1, I Keep Siteflaking	EL-5	3	3	4	Chara
Bingle	PenguinPower, JohnnyFarrar, SirCakez, Fun and Games, Nosferatu	EL-2	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	Gamma Emerald	EL-6	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	Albert B. Rampage, Bingle	EL-5	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Noraa	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Noraa
JohnnyFarrar	None	EL-7	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	Chara
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-14 12:10:00)
Notes: Please note the updated deadline. pagetops: Lilith 25 | penguin 14 | ABR 4 | johnnyf 3 | cm1 2 | gamma 2 | gb 1 | fun & games 2 | nosferatu 2 | bingle 1 | iks 1

[Bingle]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

Engage me stop asking Skitter to save you

Okay, let's ask the obvious question. Why would the response to "Penguin and I can't be trusted to read each other so even if we're both town one of us dying doesn't suck" be "If you flip town, I'll kill Penguin"? I'm very clearly NOT 1v1ing here. I don't think that Penguin is lockscum. He's could be scum and there are benefits to his elimination over the rest of the could be scums, but what part of the last 20 pages implies that I would want anyone to crusade for his death after my townflip?

And more importantly, what thread are you reading where you thought that was a legitimate thing? It certainly isn't this one.

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

i'm not following what the issue is

~ skitter
(note that i did not write 1419)

No, you're townreading Cakez.

[PenguinPower]

Mad respect, mod.

[Noraa]

AHHHH I've let a game creep up on me again. I swear I will catch up by tomorrow otherwise if I wait any longer, imma be too lazy to catch up :/

*sigh*
procrastinating sucks ass

[Fun and Games]

AHHHH I've let a game creep up on me again. I swear I will catch up by tomorrow otherwise if I wait any longer, imma be too lazy to catch up :/

*sigh*
procrastinating sucks ass

deadline is in 36 hours and you're a reasonable deadline compromise imo

[PenguinPower]

Agree tbh. Underwhelmed by the entirety of Noraa posting.

[SirCakez]

Bingle I misunderstood your SR on Penguin I thought it was very strong
Noraa you should prob stop joining more games if you're overwhelmed

[Noraa]

Its 10 pm and I have hw but I'll read a few pages as fast as I can rn. I'd prefer I didn't get limmed the day I replaced in :/

[Noraa]

Bingle I misunderstood your SR on Penguin I thought it was very strong
Noraa you should prob stop joining more games if you're overwhelmed

I saw Lilith needed a replacement badly so I replaced in. Wasn't planning on it originally :/

[Bingle]

Real talk: you snowed me in Fogport which I respect and, yes, did harbor some paranoia after for awhile. I’m riffing and joking about that mostly now, and if I’ve been wrong about you recently it’s because I’m not awesome at this game and some people are convincing.

It doesn’t change anything I’ve called out as suspect in this game.

To be perfectly clear, I don't hold either of those games against you. It's just that fighting back the paranoia gets exhausting and this is already a low motivation game for me. I just think that there is a good chance that you're scum hiding behind an expected scumread on me. I fully admit I could be wrong, and you could be town here. That doesn't really change my evaluation of the thread.

[Fun and Games]

well you're no longer my pick for deadline wagon, but i was gonna vote you about two hours ago until this whole convo with jingle happened
and agreed that you probably shouldn't join so many games ...

fwiw noraa/jingle are very very very likely not partners due to noraa writing up a whole null case on jingle upon repping in when he wasn't particularly under pressure. it would be really bizarre for the one slot for scum!noraa to iso there to be her partner, and then not come to any conclusion

~ skitter

[PenguinPower]

Starting to get angleshooty here. Catch us up on your thoughts and we’ll go from there.

[Noraa]

Holy fuck I have to read up from 49.
Ok I'll try to get it done tonight cuz I don't wanna get limmed right after replacing in cuz then this was all a waste of my time

[PenguinPower]

Starting to get angleshooty here. Catch us up on your thoughts and we’ll go from there.

This was @ noraa.

[Noraa]

well you're no longer my pick for deadline wagon, but i was gonna vote you about two hours ago until this whole convo with jingle happened
and agreed that you probably shouldn't join so many games ...

fwiw noraa/jingle are very very very likely not partners due to noraa writing up a whole null case on jingle upon repping in when he wasn't particularly under pressure. it would be really bizarre for the one slot for scum!noraa to iso there to be her partner, and then not come to any conclusion

~ skitter

someone with the rm prfpc told me to iso jingle

[Bingle]

Bingle I misunderstood your SR on Penguin I thought it was very strong
Noraa you should prob stop joining more games if you're overwhelmed

Literally the point of the push on me is that I don't have strong reads right now.

[Fun and Games]

someone with the rm prfpc told me to iso jingle

oh
hmm
ok not as anti-partner-y but still somewhat anti-partner-y

[Fun and Games]

Its 10 pm and I have hw but I'll read a few pages as fast as I can rn. I'd prefer I didn't get limmed the day I replaced in :/

also however much i want you to post ...
plz prioritize hw
i promise that if i decide to vote you it won't be at least till tomorrow, k?
(might not vote you at all, depending on how i settle on bingle but i'm still working on that)

[Noraa]

anyways im off to read. y'all have fun chatting. I gotta catch up from 49 to present.

[Noraa]

nah its good. hw can wait. I don't have tests this week til Friday. waking up early tomorrow will get it all done :3

[Bingle]

So, skitter. Gonna share with me why the townread on Cakez?

[SirCakez]

I'll be back tmrw morning

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll vote Bingle but Noraa and charaa need to take a stance on things before we go to night.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

not good

Not good = mistakes

OR

Not good = they're partners

P:Edit: I like this VOTE: Bingle with one eye still on the Hydra

I don't think we ever changed our vote back

VOTE: johnny

your case on us was poor, and you basically have no reason to scumread us as far as i can tell
you read through our iso in an attempt to make up reasons to push us, and you're basically joining any old wagon as they form

~ skitter

In saying that, if Pine/Bingle/F&G flip scum then I'm happy for them to attack in that trio

oh do go on

~ skitter

Has your read on Penguin evolved at all since a week and half ago?

is this @me?

if it is, no.
him being boring for like a week doesn't change the fact that he was obviously town day1

~ skitter

We can lynch IKSF or Penguin. Make your choices.

i'm gonna be stubborn and say no, those are awful choices, and i decline them

~ skitter

Thoughts on Bingle while you’re here?

me?
i'd put him on the +town side, i guess, but not with super high confidence
woudln't vote him today tho

my other head thinks he's scummy but we discussed it at length and we ultimately agreed that the things he's scumreading him for are nai

~ skitter

primarily my other head thought his setup spec/knowledge was scummy in a tmi way
but he's enver played with him i think and we talked about how i thought it was p par for the course for him, and not really unusual, and we settled on that bit not being scummy for him

that was the main driving factor of his scumread on him

Agree, and I’ve said as much that setup spec is nai for Bingle. What about his voting pattern versus statements?

Also @everyone else I think I might be falling into "how dare this person suspect me" territory in regards to the questions they asked me while trying to sus me out or whatever, could someone less biased take a look?

so you just dropped the whole thing cuz nobody answered you ... ?

It is. But that requires you to pay attention when ABR seems to not be doing.

DEADLINE IS IN 8 HOURS PEOPLE, WAKE UP AND VOTE

VOTE: Penguin

Yes, placing the second vote on a wagon when you think there's 8 hours left makes a lot of sense

~ skitter

ok now that we have a day and a bit left, can we work on coalescing on a non-awful wagon?

pedit i would compromise on chara if necessary, but i think we should be voting johnny

~ skitter

Penguin + fun and games scum team. You heard it here first. One of the replacements is the 3rd. Save this post for the post-game.

Can we plz wagon him now ... ^
I really dont think he's this bad

ABR, PP, You, F&G, Ydrasse, SC

This has evolved to be roughly

PP>Noraa>JF>SC>ABR>F&G

I'd still vote any of them though, if the alternative was no elimination.

VOTE: PP

I’ll switch it up and not quote.

You’re entrance today with scumreads on cakeman and Noraa slot yet voting Johnny slot and then not doing much else with your vote until recently.

That matched up with your scumreads on cakeman and Noraa slot yesterday yet voting for what ended up being a miselim.

Yeah... Except that also doesn't make any sense.

I entered today saying my reads were stale and I couldn't remember them, except that I had scumread cakeman and Noraa. And I was actively pushing both of those slots yesterday until deadline compromising to get literally any elimination at all. My play yesterday and today, like my level of motivation for the game yesterday and today, have been worlds apart. Today has been characterized by literally the only player I strongly scumread being firmly off the table for mechanical reasons, and empty promises of future content that I inevitably fail to follow through on because I don't really give enough of a shit to do a meta dive for this game at the moment.

No thoughts on Noraa and ABR being wildly similar?

In terms of role?

I AM ASSASSIN.

my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.

i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.

Maybe we should flashwagon noraaa

Why are all of u so scummy ....

I'm a vig, better than even chances to one-shot a 3-3-3 player, if I get a weapon it becomes almost certain to one-shot them unless they roll perfectly.

There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.

Not an outright vig...just like Noraa!slot

Oh right sircakez can be town too

Now what should i do with the rest of you ...

i'd have preferred a response wherein you explained the bad penguin vote or you explain how you only have 1.5 townreads at this stage

I only have 1.5 townreads because I can see literally all of the people as scum. It's not a difficult concept. I voted Penguin because of all the people who I think are legitimate options for today, he's the one that I think is the best elimination for the ability to win the game. He's not likely to do much of anything while I'm around. I'm not likely to do much of anything while he's around. He, just like just about everyone, could very well be scum. He's done absolutely nothing town indicative, and dealing with his perpetual tunnels on me is just getting exhausting, tbh. It's not even really his fault, I just don't have enough motivation to deal with it even though I usually enjoy our banter.

VOTE: bingle whatever I can't stand his posting on the last two pages

I don't see fighting down my elimination as being worth the effort in the long term chances of the town. I legitimately haven't done anything that's worth keeping me around for, so it's hard to blame people for not keeping me around.

classic scum AtE

i dont really see the angle for scum!bingle's play here but i don't really care enough to suggest someone better

VOTE: bingle

Personally I don't see Johnny's play as scum. It's pretty meh. I think I am null there with perhaps a slight town lean.

Fun and games is a hydra I take it. I've never played with anyone called skitter so I cannot tell but this hyperposting sure makes me think excited scum. It also feels like you kinda go around and sus everyone besides ur few TRs. Too much confidence feels scummy to me personally.

1238 is penguin standing up for Bingle. Worth looking at Penguin/Bingle interactions if bingle ever flips red this round.

Fun and games ur TR on bingle sure was paper thin once other people started jumping on bingle eh?

Fun and games you attack ABR for jumping on a vanity wagon while u urself are on Johnny who has like 2 votes or something. that's a bit hypocritical don't u think?

Also all this sussing on ABR is stupid. If he claimed vig, he should be ready to prove it. If he can't prove it, we yeet him. Why sort him now while he has a vig claim going and we have at the very least(assuming he is lying scum) 2 scum remaining to sort. Ftr I agree his posting is very questionable and shit but I mean ... he claim vig and we still got scums left so I don't see the point in tunneling there.

Bingle can we not call Penguin Power ... PP? thanks.

Penguin ... no the roles aren't similar.

Funn and games why is sircakez town?

Bingle 1.5 town reads is a bit ... sad to say the least. And also I feel like using AtE is not the best idea under the current circumstances :/
Tho I must put in that when I get desperate as town, I also use AtE so im willing to excuse this for now.

Flashwagons are bs. lets not flash wagon bingle. too many people are jumping on with terrible or no reasoning. Force them to give reasons.

The people I have a read on rn:
Bingle, Nos, Sircakez, fun and games, penguin, ABR, Johnny

Bingle: honestly I still lean town here but its not a strong lean regardless. Bingle's play reminds me lots of my play when under pressure as town. I react the shittiest to pressure and will OMGUS and AtE the fuck out of everyone :/

Nos: lurker. null. not much to say here. jumps on wagons. I could see that as being opportunistic maybe but idk its all a wash since nos is a lurker slot.

Sircakez: haven't seen much of this slot but he seems too agreeable and im not liking that so he's a scum lean.

Fun and games: flip floppy, pushes others for doing what they do, seems to think flash wagons are great, overall scummy mindset, eager scum vibes, hard scum lean here. "obviously town day 1" does not exist. theres a lot wrong with this slot and I hate the scummy vibes I get here.

Penguin: Null perhaps slight scum lean for the weird analysis on Ydrasse and ABR. Like uhh as far as ik these are two slots that have claimed. y tf r u pushing there?

ABR: probably just town being done with everything. doesn't try that much but its honestly TSTBS. He claimed vig. I'll wait for him to prove it. If he can't, regardless of reason, we launch him bc we can't afford to keep a scum or a really scummy player all the way to limlo.

Johnny: Very meh play here. I see nothing out of the ordinary, nothing super towny and nothing super scummy. No posts really ping me from this slot. I think I still want to give them a town lean tho bc I feel like town!Johnny seems more likely than scum!Johnny.

Early town block: Johnny, ABR, Noraa, Bingle
Null: Nos
Scum lean: Sircakez, Penguin, Fun and games,

[lilith2013]

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