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[Hectic]

My gutreads at the moment ignoring all assocations are:

dupping/UNOwen
shelly/Plus
Dave

It's weird. duppin still pings heavily as town to me, just in all of his thoughts and the way he's pushing for stuff to happen. Plus's response to me I found fairly good. Dave just hasn't done enough today and doesn't seem to have any interest in solving this.

Now, when you add associations and potential team stuff, it gets more complicated. I'll definitely dedicate some time into rereading interactions between Noraa and co before the deadline is upon us. I suspect it'll be fruitful.

[Hectic]

shelly you agreeing/TRing me is scaring me a lil not gonna lie lol. Like your gonna flip out and tunnel me when I least expect it.
I'm just used to being mislimed by you but given way town is acting scum!shelly could pretty easily win by pushing me.

How does scum!shelly treat her partners? Have you ever seen scum!shelly treat a partner like she's treating you right now?

[Hectic]

I want to say more, but I really want to see shelly come back and confirm/deny the guilty first. Why did you drop that and then go afk and not care to reply to duppin's instant rebuttal, shelly? You were active elsewhere.

[duppin]

i need to sleep now but i will get back to this but yes shelly if you are town then i hope you understand why you have to retract the claim as soon as possible because otherwise the day is stalling and youre pushing it into a tvt.

if youre scum then do whatever you feel like but i will consider it to be a scum claim if you do not retract it

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[6] Not Voting:

PlusJOYED, duppin, davesaz, Hectic, shellyc, UNOwen

With 6 still flying around the place, it takes 4 votes to ground someone.

The Day 4 deadline is in:

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[davesaz]

Oh good, I'm only 2 pages behind. At the bottom of 142.
Sorry, it's been a couple rough days.

[davesaz]

So Shelly's claim happened. I have no meta to evaluate it with. I'm a little worried that I'll spend a bunch of time deep diving to do that reset and it will all be for naught.

[shellyc]

shelly, do you retract or stand by your claim?

VOTE: duppin
duppin claim now

im apathetic, this has been stalling

I bus too much by the way. i dont hard defend partners

[PlusJOYED]

shelly you agreeing/TRing me is scaring me a lil not gonna lie lol. Like your gonna flip out and tunnel me when I least expect it.
I'm just used to being mislimed by you but given way town is acting scum!shelly could pretty easily win by pushing me.

How does scum!shelly treat her partners? Have you ever seen scum!shelly treat a partner like she's treating you right now?

usually early game bus a bit and try to appear townie
late game tunnel town

[PlusJOYED]

My gutreads at the moment ignoring all assocations are:

dupping/UNOwen
shelly/Plus
Dave

It's weird. duppin still pings heavily as town to me, just in all of his thoughts and the way he's pushing for stuff to happen. Plus's response to me I found fairly good. Dave just hasn't done enough today and doesn't seem to have any interest in solving this.

Now, when you add associations and potential team stuff, it gets more complicated. I'll definitely dedicate some time into rereading interactions between Noraa and co before the deadline is upon us. I suspect it'll be fruitful.

with that list im thinking its 100% the right play to wait a day

ignoring my shelly read, lets consider what happens when we wait
if shelly dies and flips investigative, that's an easy duppin elim.
If shelly doesn't die and is town investigative, we have a high chance of solving right there or confirming a townie. Regardless, scum is probably boned if we wait and shelly is town invest.
and if shelly is scum that puts them in an extremely akward position imo where they have to fake a solve or confirm a townie, and super qkward to fake. Why go through all that when shelly had a solid chance to elim me today if she SR me.

[PlusJOYED]

shelly did a fake CC on me once in doggos as scum day 1. But in that case it went very horribly for scumteam, and I was already really scummy.

[PlusJOYED]

yeah
VOTE: no elimination
rn im at duppin/uno being the solve. I reconsidered dave and I think his predecessor was pretty townie, I think his catchup struggle is genuine, and the vote on mundi was extremely risky given his standing
duppins recent posts regarding shellys invest result is pretty panicky too.

[shellyc]

sigh we have to elim today

i'll tell you why
im a Night 3 investigative

[shellyc]

we wont be closer to solving if we no elim and I just die, it brings us into lylo with duppin confscum, then 3p lylo with probably {plus UNO davesaz}

[PlusJOYED]

...like night 3 only? What?
I've never seen a gate that specific. One night? And pretty late game too
It also seems convient for a claim for lylo.
Even so for reasons explained its still better to nolim for poe. I think its very unlikely your scum but still faintly possible.

[duppin]

shelly, do you retract or stand by your claim?

VOTE: duppin
duppin claim now

im apathetic, this has been stalling

I bus too much by the way. i dont hard defend partners

okay i assume you stick to your claim, which makes this a lot more simple actually

[duppin]

yeah
VOTE: no elimination
rn im at duppin/uno being the solve. I reconsidered dave and I think his predecessor was pretty townie, I think his catchup struggle is genuine, and the vote on mundi was extremely risky given his standing
duppins recent posts regarding shellys invest result is pretty panicky too.

plus if you are town then you really need to revaluate how you read people as your read seem to be based on conf bias because you believe shelly is town and you believe i am scum. there was nothing panicky about my reaction. If you are town then you are really being pocketed. I think you need to ask yourself why you townread shelly and why you scumread me independently instead of being pushed into reads. If you still reach the same conclusion it is what it is

[duppin]

okay so seeing as shelly seems to commit to her claim, it should honestly be rather obvious that this is a fake claim

Okay I've been thinking about this and I think this is the right move atm...

The Revelation!

the reason why I'm currently town on plus is because

I have a GUILTY result on duppin

, and I know the world they're pushing is at least halfway correct.

I am a

Town [REDACTED]

. I am an investigative and may or may not be gated with one incriminating result (on duppin) and no clears. I can think some instances however that this result occurs when I check a town. I'm not claiming the exact investigative until duppin claims as to give a scum!duppin less information to make their fakeclaim.

@duppin, please claim now.

first of all she has not claimed what her role is or what her result is, but she claims she could think of a reason "this result might be town". There is nothing about my role and it should be fairly obvious due to my reaction what my role is actually, that should lead her to believe it is scum no matter what her role is. It looked like an obvious reaction test due to the vague and careful claim

however now she seems to claim that i am "conf scum" without elaborating on her claim, this is an inconsistensy that honestly makes no sense. also if I was confirmed scum to her, why would my claim even matter?

sigh we have to elim today

i'll tell you why
im a Night 3 investigative

we wont be closer to solving if we no elim and I just die, it brings us into lylo with duppin confscum, then 3p lylo with probably {plus UNO davesaz}

these are also super questionable because as plus just said it should be obvious that if shelly was indeed a tpr and i was scum then it would not make any sense for me to lim her in the night
the "night 3" investigative claim is also convenient in the sense it means that she does not need to provide any other results

[shellyc]

you said you could only be miller

im tracker and tracked you to the nightkill

I'm on mobile but I have crumbed my role here

[shellyc]

however now she seems to claim that i am "conf scum" without elaborating on her claim, this is an inconsistensy that honestly makes no sense. also if I was confirmed scum to her, why would my claim even matter?

I plan this claim since I got the result

I ask you to claim
you say you can only be miller
you're not PR who visited the nightkill

[shellyc]

as scum there is no reason to be vague with a guilty claim other than losing cred...

duppin I withheld the info to make you not get info to make a fakeclaim
you assumed this was a cop guilty and I didn't know about meta = miller claims d1

[duppin]

lol shelly, i said i could only be miller which i thought was unlikely for you to have any kind of result on me

[shellyc]

lol shelly, i said i could only be miller which i thought was unlikely for you to have any kind of result on me

are you the fucking track miller

[duppin]

in other words there is nothing else i could have done that could lead you to believe i was scum which was why I said it was a fake claim.

Anyway this is actually a bad fake claim as scum

[shellyc]

I will rage about this setup if you're really a track miller btw.

can you actually just claim