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[duppin]

lol shelly, i said i could only be miller which i thought was unlikely for you to have any kind of result on me

are you the fucking track miller

I don't think you understand

I am saying the only way you could have any result that could make you believe I am guilty no matter what your role is is if I was miller which in other words should make it really obvious what role i am

[shellyc]

nothing else i could have done that could lead you to believe i was scum which was why I said it was a fake claim.

there was nothing which made be believe you're scum, you played very well

but I have a GUILTY on you

[duppin]

when I am saying you could not have any reason to believe I was scum unless I am miller I am also stating that I have not visited anyone or done anything at all that that could suggest i would be scum.

You are claiming I visited someone. So are you hard commiting to your claim?

[PlusJOYED]

Night 3 tracker huh
I wanna give shelly the benefit of the doubt but the fact that its gated to night 3 only and shelly had any doubt in their mind that there was a tracker miller is strange. Most of the time millers claim day 1 and I'm 99% sure we have no miller in this setup given duppins response.

[PlusJOYED]

nothing else i could have done that could lead you to believe i was scum which was why I said it was a fake claim.

there was nothing which made be believe you're scum, you played very well

but I have a GUILTY on you

then why would you choose to track him, and not say me when your last post thought I was scum?

[Hectic]

It's shelly/duppin + dave. shelly isn't scum with Plus because of meta and Jacko interactions. duppin isn't scum with Plus because that's where he was gunning for before the guilty was claimed.
Still don't think it's UNOwned, but please do something more and weigh in on this please.

shelly, show us where you crumbed night 3 tracker.
My immediate instinct is to believe duppin and call this a shelly + Dave team going for the win today. shelly not wanting to no launch is a really, really bad look for her, and reminds me so much of Jacko from the large game we just finished.

[Hectic]

Also, I'm gonna be absolutely kicking myself for catching and being so confident on scum!shelly early on, but then talking myself out of it like a duffer.

[Hectic]

Night 3 tracker huh
I wanna give shelly the benefit of the doubt but the fact that its gated to night 3 only and shelly had any doubt in their mind that there was a tracker miller is strange. Most of the time millers claim day 1 and I'm 99% sure we have no miller in this setup given duppins response.

Yeah, exactly, shelly debating and being fearful duppin is a "track miller" is really unnatural, considering duppin is obviously not claiming it and would've said so eons ago. It's not a genuine thought process.

[PlusJOYED]

hi hectic
still I'm just genuinely confused because shelly is a good scum player why she would make up such a flimsy fakeclaim as scum.

[Hectic]

Yo
To cash in her towncred and save scum-buddy Dave from being launched today? She
really should've just bussed though and won the next day, this is the confusing thing.

[PlusJOYED]

like, because its lylo, all she had to do was make 2 more fake results. She wouldn't even have to crumb them really. Ideally it'd be confirming her scumpartner and "confirming" another townie so they'd get pocketed.

[PlusJOYED]

Yo
To cash in her towncred and save scum-buddy Dave from being launched today? She
really should've just bussed though and won the next day, this is the confusing thing.

she could achieve that same result by going after me i think considering my hammer was bad and she was already scumreading me

[Hectic]

And to win today ofc. Why is the claim in particular flimsy in your opinion? Oh, because her track target is very strange? That's a good point too, weigh in on this as well, shelly.

Pedit: If she claimed ungated tracker, I'd be very unlikely to believe her. Not when we already have a flipped ungated gunsmith and an ungated Rolestopper. That's too much follow the cop style power with an ungated tracker thrown in the mix.

[Hectic]

Anyway, yeah, no launch for sure today. Hold off on further claims until tomorrow etc etc

Don't want to end the day just yet though. Want go do some more rereading and post my thoughts before my semi-likely untimely demise.

[PlusJOYED]

hmm you raise a good point about setup spec
for what its worth i think you could be scum. if nothing else, you dying will remove 1 paranoia factor.

[shellyc]

So are you hard commiting to your claim?

yes.

i dislike investigating hard scumreads as TI, as TI your job is to find out who has what alignment, and tracking plus whose hammer was pretty incriminating doesnt help

[shellyc]

I know where you're heading

with this but ehhhhh

I do think massclaiming here is the reasonable play fwiw. but if the consensus is no then nah no massclaim

crumb

[shellyc]

Yeah, exactly, shelly debating and being fearful duppin is a "track miller" is really unnatural, considering duppin is obviously not claiming it and would've said so eons ago. It's not a genuine thought process.

im afraid man

im afraid and paranoid that my guilty isnt really a guilty

[shellyc]

Anyway, yeah, no launch for sure today. Hold off on further claims until tomorrow etc etc

fine

no lynch and i die get duppin
or if its a no kill i'll still say get duppin

[shellyc]

I am hard counterclaiming strong loyal multitasking fruit vendor doctor vigilante cop watcher

tracker

mailman motion detector role cop role watcher psychologist jail keeper neighborizer

this was also a slightly humourous crumb

[shellyc]

ok im going to put my tale into one big wall

so basically i am a night 3 tracker. on night 3 i can track one player and find out who they visited.
I saw plus hammering weirdly and my first instinct ws to believe this absurd move came from scum, but tbh it was pretty tstbs on second thought. i also trust my ability to sort plusjoyed with me able to meta them
UNO is proooobably not partnered with plus with the pushing against redados together
hectic is still towniest here, not a good track
davesaz's pred mini was fine and i think the lack of engagement is kinda +town indicative as scum want to pull strings in lategame

I vagueclaimed in order for duppin to not fakeclaim out of this. so they claimed generic VT as they didnt know what TI I was
I also made this as vague as possible to limit scum getting info.

I then was kinda paranoid about duppin claiming to "might be miller" as the thing that I feared most as a track miller so I paniced
and now duppin is confscum, i realised miller wont claim that late

VOTE: duppin
ugh if y'all want to no elim instead of voting confscum, fine, but when I die this will be proven true. actually from a scum!duppin its best to kill hectic/no kill so they win the 1v1 against me unless their partner is powerwolfing

[duppin]

uh i think shelly just said that she is going to kill hectic, i dont want to townclear him for that because it could be a wifom play especially if he does not die, but does certainly give him some town cred

for what it is worth killing hectic would be absolutely idiotic for me to do if i was scum since: i have thrown shade at him and more importantly he seems to believe me over shelly

[duppin]

also "when i die" is honestly jsut a fun thing to say since if you were town then you know you would never be killed, so youre just saying it to make it more believable

and now claiming that hectic would be the best kill for me when he obviously would not just comes across as you wanting to put shade on me because you want to kill him

[duppin]

Anyway, I do still believe UNO is town. I still the same read and I was expressed my disapproval of people putting UNO into the solve based on noraas flip. I think his ISO is really town.

I initially thought plus was likely to be scum especially after observing noraas behaviour when I started the wagon on him, but then I later noticed that noraa did in fact vote on plus earlier which gives him slight cred mainly because I feel noraa only voted on town.
Add to the fact that after reading the doggos game I also noticed that noraa seems to like to defend townies that are being defended for relatively questionable things (in fact she kind of did the exact same thing to plus in that game), she seems to paint him as town due to "plusiness", being mislim bait and whatnot. Could eb used to defend a partner in theory, but to me it feels more like an attempt at towncred + potential pocketing. I also believe the fact that he questions the claim and pushes for a no lim is fairly town as well, albeit this is obviously slightly biased to me knowing that shelly is scum.

Hectic is a weird one as I said my concern was that he was deepwolfing which is admittedly still a possibility, but with shellys comment before I'm feeling slightly better about that slot actually.

dave is an obvious candidate as i mentioned before the biggest issue about dave is that he simply hasn't formed any associations which I do believe is a scumtell.

[duppin]

sorry for the typos doing it on phone is a bit iffy. also i obviously meant that noraa seems to like to defend townies that are potential mislim bait by coming up with weird reasoning