Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Alonzo]

it doesn't matter who the scum are if we have a townbloc of {ico, noraa, bob, me}

lim iaaun, shoot alonzo, follow datisi, and if we haven't won by that point lim datisi as well.

This is LAMIST from anything other than town! TGP

[bob3141]

part of my sus on ico is bc town vig often times means scum doc

Not always. A vig normaly means there is protective in the mix of some sort. Either thats a scum doc or a town protective.

When vigs are in they normaly weaken all other town roles that dont have gating. So a 3shot vig would be balanced based on reducing the number of days being reduced by one and one scum or vig kill being blocked. so ungated roles are 3/4 of the strength that they have in game without a vig.

[Alonzo]

Answer me this @tgp why is Ico town?

Because you don't want a doc mislynch/ vig, or something deeper?

[Alonzo]

Mechanically icos not safe before you hot me with that.

[TheGoldenParadox]

ico and bob are town because i don't see anything else from the setup

plus menalque, who is town and quite a good player, was in a neighborhood with ico and said he was town

[TheGoldenParadox]

Mechanically icos not safe before you hot me with that.

explain. unless you're claiming a pr.

[Noraa]

why is bob town? someone answer

[Noraa]

part of my sus on ico is bc town vig often times means scum doc

Not always. A vig normaly means there is protective in the mix of some sort. Either thats a scum doc or a town protective.

When vigs are in they normaly weaken all other town roles that dont have gating. So a 3shot vig would be balanced based on reducing the number of days being reduced by one and one scum or vig kill being blocked. so ungated roles are 3/4 of the strength that they have in game without a vig.

hmmmmm so ico.

[Noraa]

town has some pretty strong prs imo. this imo means that scum has two prs(one of which we killed already) and a goon

[bob3141]

town has some pretty strong prs imo. this imo means that scum has two prs(one of which we killed already) and a goon

yep either scum has a doc to counter the vig. Roleblocker to generaly block town pr roles or a strongman to counter any protectives town might have.


roleblockers are strong as even a gated roleblocker will result in fair bit of town power being added.


Whiel all are roles apart from the vig seem to be either heavily gated or roles on the weaker side.

as you normaly see either

3 medium pr with a gated medium pr.
1 stong pr and 2 medium pr
1-2 medium pr with the rest being split up into 3-5 weaker town pr

with town getting additional pr for every medium pr scum gets. roleblocker are strong, rolecops/vannilcops medium. with one shot strongman being as strong as roleblocker

[bob3141]

more weaker pr tend to be the case in vig games. As it reduces tehhe swing of either the vig or scum hitting a strong town pr.

[Alonzo]

Good townplay seems to be the key as it stops the vig shooting you in the face.

[Noraa]

in this case ... I doubt that's enough cuz I'm just straight up unpredictable

[Alonzo]

Everyone's got their quirks.

[bob3141]

I think the power we have could actualy be balanced with just teacher/prof role. Alittle scum sided but balanced


me, menal. ico and bm are weakened by the vig. So in effect we are 3 shots

as the vig reduces number of nights by one. while this doesnt affect the scum pr. As its rolecop/vannila cop thats odd gated and in terms of balanced night 4 is seen as the last useful night.

ico is double gated if town. so i would say it 0.6 the strnegth of ungated doc. ( just one gatign would be 0.75)


so without another protective in the mix, Ico has to be town. As that still leaves the game scum sided.

[Noraa]

I don't think we have any other prs that claimed vt

[Noraa]

maybe the scum team only has two goons left then?

[Noraa]

idk but I think there's one scum in the vt pile and one in the pr pile

[Noraa]

I honestly feel like there's too much town power

[Noraa]

Mena had a pretty strong role
BM did as well
Ico as doctor is really strong
Bob as follower is pretty strong too
and then me as vig

...idk I feel like there's too much town power honestly

[Noraa]

ok actually I take that back. I think scums have two prs and a goon and 5 town prs does somewhat make sense that way

[Noraa]

3 scum prs isnt likely and town would have to make me a full one vig or something to even that mess out.

[Noraa]

so the scum team really did just all claim vt?

[Noraa]

god that's messed tf up

[bob3141]

Mena had a pretty strong role
BM did as well
Ico as doctor is really strong
Bob as follower is pretty strong too
and then me as vig

...idk I feel like there's too much town power honestly

menal and my role are pretty weak. menals is just a step up from voyeur. main use is just catching ok fake claims.

Mine is onyl strong than menals as i have low chance of catching a kill action. but with vig in teh game my role instead risks outing teh vig instead.

1.5 cops,
1 docs,
0.5 follower, mailman, vannillcop
0.4 ish role watchers

first gating reduces strength t0 0.75, second is 0.75*0.75


thast my guestimation i use in games and its always served me well