Questionable Balcony

[fferyllt]

I'm obsessively rereading.

This made me laugh

People scumreading me probably don't realize that the gatekeeper of hell herself has endorsed me getting to Day three before everything breaks down.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm obsessively rereading.

This made me laugh

People scumreading me probably don't realize that the gatekeeper of hell herself has endorsed me getting to Day three before everything breaks down.

I don't know who they are talking about. We don't have a gatekeeper of hell, we have a very bureaucratic and lengthy process to be let in.

[Tammy]

lol at both

yeah I chuckled about that when I was reading a couple days ago

[Syryana]

The greatest team of shitposters ever assembled was pretty good too.

[fferyllt]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Only 19 pages left...

Shhhh Cabd. I am basking. Do you hear that? That’s the sound of people playing mafia.

I like this, too.

[Tammy]

jake - do you have any town reads or scum reads you'd like to talk about?

[fferyllt]

FFery's Day 2 Agenda

• Investigate s_s's reads list format. Ask Cabd if he usually formats them this way. I don't remember seeing anything like this the last time I meta'd him.
  
• Gamma Emerald's mastina style catchup during mr toad's wild ride. He made one post where it seemed he was aware that the day could end abruptly. Why didn't he engage with that? Why was a post-by-post catchup more important?
  
• What was Diamond Sentinel doing once he realized he wasn't going to convince players to focus on Jake instead of Tayl0r?
  
• Get a discussion going on whether anything else pinged from page 63 onward?
  
• Current other players of interest: Bell (more to come), Nahdia, Alisae

Players of Interest

• Bell - so much cagier around me than I think is warranted in this game. He seems super-concerned about his ability to recognize scum-Cabd. WHY? (also, learn to bullet)
  
• Nadhia - The spoiler about their shitty week in the argument with petapan got me right in the feels. But, I still have issues about their lack of (or extremely hands-off level of) engagement
  
• Alisae - could just be me not paying attention but I feel like he's been pretty uninvolved beyond that huge go at Jake early on.

Cabd's huge neighborhood

possible composition: some of s_s, midway bear, gamma, alisae, peta? (throwing him in because it would explain Cabd not poking at him much)

I expect him to out what's going on with his neighborhood/role pretty quickly on day 2 since he said our dethy needed to resolve first. Push him on this if it doesn't happen, but if he says it's premature I'd take him at his word unless he really starts throwing his weight around in the event I'm dead. I feel like I've kinda been low-key keeping him from running the game if that's what he wanted to do. OTOH I don't think he was trying to shut me down at all (nor I him) or try to spin narratives for me, and I feel like he'd do at least a little of that if he's scum.

Also planning to set up an "apologies here" booth regarding the pushback on some of my reads.

[Syryana]

5 hours to dooooooom

[fferyllt]

One more thing I meant to add: I recommend not telling the game anything about the sanities we figure out about ourselves. Just out guilties/innos once we have them.

[Syryana]

Yah I was thinking everybody dumps results here and one person outs them stump speech style

Tonight's results don't matter though because they're all mason results

[Syryana]

Should we all target the same person N2 or different people? I'm leaning same person but could be swayed.

[Tammy]

No you are right about alisae not being involved and I was teetering between the push on Jake being for show to look like scumhunting or actually trying to get rvs. Everything about their early posting felt forced and scummy.

I sat on the because I a) have stopped scumhunting in the early game unless something just hits me because I can’t tell the difference between scum trying to look like they’re scumhunting and town trying to get the game started. I often pick the town person to prod at and sometimes end up in a shitshow and I’m not about that life anymore, and observation feels better. And B) they could just not have been having a good day and/or didn’t want to play mafia at the time but forced themselves to because they felt obligated which happens

So yeah the first couple times I thought their posting was scummy but the last time felt fine.

[Tammy]

What seemed off about s_s reads list?

[fferyllt]

What seemed off about s_s reads list?

The format. I don't really have an issue with the reads, themselves. Though I thought it was interesting that he had tayl0r as scum but had the rest of the dethy as mild townreads. It makes sense on the face of it, I guess, but given how much he was pushing tayl0r it seemed to me he could have taken more of a stance on the rest of us.

I don't remember seeing him format a reads list this way in the games I meta'd. From what I saw, he generally leaves out nulls and just posts about who he's townreading and who he's scumreading. Cabd mentioned a new s_s meta tell during this game, though, so he's done more recent meta-ing than I have.

[fferyllt]

Should we all target the same person N2 or different people? I'm leaning same person but could be swayed.

I think we should all target the same player on N2 for calibration purposes, but I'm probably not thinking deeply enough. Maybe there's a good argument for spreading out? the naive and paranoid should continue to get results like they did n1. the insane and sane could get different results if they investigate scum.

[fferyllt]

Who bells the cat?

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Is that accurate FF?

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Is that accurate FF?

Specifically what are you asking if it's accurate?

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Is that accurate FF?

Specifically what are you asking if it's accurate?

17.6% or 23.5% outside versus 20% inside.
What's the rationale behind each player's approach inside of the QT versus out of it?

This is an example of the sorts of disconnects I keep having with bell. He refers back to a post without context and I can't tell if it's my most recent post or something earlier, or if it's a reference to a post I didn't make. In this case I think he asking me if his post about the dethy composition was accurate, and then he went off on an analysis of whether the odds of hitting scum were better, generically, by eliming within the dethy versus outside of it.

Maybe it's a me issue? I had no idea that he was trying to confirm something we'd already posted about what a dethy is.

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I'm going through Bell posts in the time remaining. With this one, I want some help calibrating if the communication problem is on my end and not his. I'll hopefully not post a lot of random shit in here until I've composed a wall.

Or would random shit be preferable to a wall? Might be easier to respond to if you have comments?

[fferyllt]

Tammy, I think you called this out earlier.

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Why do people keep thinking I say things if I don't expect a response to it.

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I will literally never get anything done this game if I answer every question posed to me.

These two posts hit the thread within 5 minutes of each other.

Beyond the contradiction itself, why does scum-Bell allow himself to post this.

It fits the confused, distracted, maybe real life is kicking his butt Bell that we seem to be playing with here, Why isn't his self-censor is at least a little online if he is scum?

[fferyllt]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

It's explicitly not just for me, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

who asked for a votecount?

No one.

Oh yeah thats right, no one asked.
But yet you felt like the gamestate needed a votecount for who god knows what reason?
Sounds like you're tryin to look town > actually being town dude.

Then why isn't your vote on me?

becuase I was waiting for your reaction
tbh the reaction I was expecting if ur town was to just double down on it so I wasn't expecting this.
I'll have to think about what this reaction tells me later

VOTE: alisae

Bonk

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VOTE: Bell
Why?

Because something something Sword of Damocles something something.

Over whose head does the sword dangle? Contextually, Alisae, but the metaphor doesn't really fit? Maybe: Alisae is pressuring Jake (e.g., the ruler's cruelty that leads to uneasy heads under crowns), but when e admittedly doesn't get the reaction e thought would signify town, e shows mercy? and that's something town-Alisae would not do?

halp!

[Tammy]

I have concluded I think bell is on drugs

[Tammy]

Tammy, I think you called this out earlier.

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Why do people keep thinking I say things if I don't expect a response to it.

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I will literally never get anything done this game if I answer every question posed to me.

These two posts hit the thread within 5 minutes of each other.

Beyond the contradiction itself, why does scum-Bell allow himself to post this.

It fits the confused, distracted, maybe real life is kicking his butt Bell that we seem to be playing with here, Why isn't his self-censor is at least a little online if he is scum?

I didn't like the second one because he's been interacting with you the most in the game, or at least it feels like it. It seems like he thinks you're town as in the way he's behaving felt that way. He says he wants to town bloc with you, he wants you to answer his questions (I'm thinking about with cabd here), and yet he says to you that he won't get anything done if he answers all the question asked of him.

He feels disconnected from the game and from himself. He has to know the way he's interacting isn't ever going to be conducive to getting anything done in a game. He responds to things as if he's quoting them, and much like TaylOr swift, though definitely not that bad, just feels like his posts are hitting the thread at random with no direction or meaning.

Bell has me absolutely confused.

[Tammy]

so unfortunately I can't really be of help on bell because I don't understand a thing he's doing, nor can I figure out a view point to try to understand him through.

[fferyllt]

maybe you're right about the drugs! Re midway's reaction to Bell's Alisae vote, he says this:

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

Read eir post.

Seems fine with me

That’s cool. Why doesn’t it bother you that they expected town you to respond like this but you responded like this instead and therefore
?

This reads like he thinks Alisae attacked midway, not Jake. Midway and alisae did go back and forth on Alisae's Jake push, but midway was the aggressive one in that convo, not Alisae.

[fferyllt]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

This lack of genuine conversation just makes it hard to find a solid tell on people.

Not everyone has been roleplaying and doing stuff like that
Any thoughts on the dynamic between Cabd, fferylt, Tammy, and Syryana or is it similarly unreadable to you like the roleplay? Also, let me know what you think about SirCakez

You said you expected midwaybear to double down as town but when he didn’t you said you had to think about what it meant instead.

@midway talk to me, why’re you a grumpy bear?

I'm so fucking confused. Maybe that earlier post was correctly addressed to midway.

It was a little after this that Bell voted midway bear, and shortly after that Cabd woke up and voted Bell, but contextually the dream may have happened before the midway vote.

So it's the Bell posts up to this point that triggered Cabd. Talking about his class, offering to townbloc with me and then not following up in any way, going after alisae and midway, being super-confusing, etc.

[fferyllt]

but contextually the dream may have happened before the midway vote.

This isn't quite right. The dream may have happened before Cabd saw and processed the midway vote.

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 1]

This lack of genuine conversation just makes it hard to find a solid tell on people.

Not everyone has been roleplaying and doing stuff like that
Any thoughts on the dynamic between Cabd, fferylt, Tammy, and Syryana or is it similarly unreadable to you like the roleplay? Also, let me know what you think about SirCakez

You said you expected midwaybear to double down as town but when he didn’t you said you had to think about what it meant instead.

@midway talk to me, why’re you a grumpy bear?

I'm so fucking confused. Maybe that earlier post was correctly addressed to midway.

It was a little after this that Bell voted midway bear, and shortly after that Cabd woke up and voted Bell, but contextually the dream may have happened before the midway vote.

So it's the Bell posts up to this point that triggered Cabd. Talking about his class, offering to townbloc with me and then not following up in any way, going after alisae and midway, being super-confusing, etc.

What I find super weird about this interaction is that this is the post that causes Diamond Sentinel to start giving reads on us which he then stays somewhat fixated on for the rest of the day. I'm not exactly sure why I find it so odd but it is. I thought that DS had just stayed on us but he did branch out some so IDK.

can't help with sorting out what bell is trying to do or who he's talking to, he's got me all lost in the woods.