Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Gamma Emerald]

like are you saying that Scum-Pooky knew that Taylor was the Traitor and decided to fence-sit/defend her?

If Scum know who their traitor is why the hell is Taylor even crumbing?

idk if this means anything for pooky but I wanna sow how this is answered

[fferyllt]

I felt like in a sane world that had to be the explanation, but how the hell am I supposed tell if this is a sane world and I'm not playing checkers in an nth dimensional chess game?

[Bell]

@midwaybear. No it isn’t.

Could one of the more experienced people tell me how traitors work in regards to awareness? Typically or all the time?

[fferyllt]

Bell, why did you go off to nap late day one as the game thread was hitting peak wtfery?

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: something smart
Anyways...let's go here

You know this means I'm town, right

[Something_Smart]

I talked about it yesterday but basically SS' disengagement feels scum-motivated

How is disengagement motivated? It's a feeling, not a choice...

[Bell]

Because I was exhausted.

[fferyllt]

@midwaybear. No it isn’t.

Could one of the more experienced people tell me how traitors work in regards to awareness? Typically or all the time?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

These are a few of the ways that Traitor has been implemented.

The Traitor may or may not know who is in the Mafia to begin with. If not, Traitor is basically intended to act like a "bad Townie" - whereas "good Townies" try to find scum, "bad Townies" hinder the Town from finding the scum without necessarily knowing who they are. However, it is considerably more common for the Traitor to know who the scum are.
On occasion the Traitor is only told who one of the scum is.

The Traitor may give negative results to Cops (that is, they show up like Townies would). This hearkens back to the earliest interpretation of the Traitor, called the Mafia Spy.
The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

Some moderators allow for Mafia teams to kill their Traitors with the factional kill. Other times, the Traitor is immune to kills from their Mafia (in which case if the Mafia tries to kill them there is no kill that Night). Still other times, if the Mafia attempts to kill their Traitor the Traitor is instead recruited into the Mafia, allowing it to talk to the rest of the faction and perform the factional kill. All of these have been seen regularly.

If the Mafia can potentially kill their Traitor, they are sometimes told that a Traitor exists in the game. This forces the scum to hunt for their own Traitor in hopes of learning who NOT to kill at Night.

Some Traitors, particularly those that cannot be recruited into the main faction, are compensated by being granted extra powers. For instance, the Mafia Traitor may also be the team's Roleblocker.

Some Traitors lose if the main Mafia group is wiped out, even if they are still alive.

Some Traitors inherit the ability to nightkill if the rest of the scum are dead.

Normal Guidelines

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.

As a Traitor is Mafia-aligned, it counts towards the Mafia's win condition. For example, in the situation of 1 Goon, 1 Traitor and 2 Townies, the game ends in a Mafia win.

There's more on the wiki page.

When Syr asked Fakegod about what kind of traitor we had in the dethy Fakegod told him that Syr does not know what kind of traitor.

We can theorycraft that Tayl0r knew her mafia crew but it kinda has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Bell]

It hurts that if she didn’t know she probably thought I was scum.

[fferyllt]

Because I was exhausted.

How are you feeling today?

[Bell]

Better.

[fferyllt]

It hurts that if she didn’t know she probably thought I was scum.

Thinking back to the grandparent post?

[Bell]

Yup.

[Cabd]

Gonna step away for now and let the confirmed town alter ego do her thing. Meta-date about Diamond and Gamma
tonight/tomorrow?

Whenever's good for you.

Which one first?

Getting delivery, so I'm here.

[Bell]

Share links. Head needs to get back in this game.

[fferyllt]

Bell, that Sword of Damocles thing was an example of a few parts of the thread where I just couldn't track where you head was at on day 1. And like I said, I couldn't map that stuff as indicative of either alignment.

I think I just want reset the dial and give you some space and see how this game day goes for a while. I'll probably poke at stuff, though, as I would anyone.

[fferyllt]

Gonna step away for now and let the confirmed town alter ego do her thing. Meta-date about Diamond and Gamma
tonight/tomorrow?

Whenever's good for you.

Which one first?

Getting delivery, so I'm here.

You have s_s as a high tier townread so I'd like to start there.

[Cabd]

Okay... it's gonna be awkward because I don't want to burn that tell.

Get your charades game face on?

[Bell]

Bell, that Sword of Damocles thing was an example of a few parts of the thread where I just couldn't track where you head was at on day 1. And like I said, I couldn't map that stuff as indicative of either alignment.

I think I just want reset the dial and give you some space and see how this game day goes for a while. I'll probably poke at stuff, though, as I would anyone.

Okay town FF. *salutes*

[fferyllt]

Okay... it's gonna be awkward because I don't want to burn that tell.

Get your charades game face on?

I don't need tells burned I don't think.

Mostly I want to know if this readslist format is familiar from your meta-ing?

Alisae mild town lean but will probably be sortable later
Bell mild town lean
Cabd mild town lean
DS mild scum lean

FakeGod lockscum

ffery mild town lean
wait Gamma's in this game? his first post is towny though. rest of ISO is null
Jake is unreadable
midwaybear null but probably sortable later
Nahdia null and I hope things get less stressful soon
petapan mild town lean
Pooky is honestly probably my strongest townread, but I don't have to be happy about it
I will not attempt to read Cakez on D1. I have a slight town lean on Cakez. By the law of me being utterly unable to read Cakez, this means he is scum. Gottem
Syryana mild town lean
Tammy null
Tayl0r null via ISO but also lol
Bulge has 19 posts, no wonder I can't remember anything they've done.

The kinds of lists I noticed while metaing games didn't start with the mod's player list. They consisted of his townreads/scumreads and didn't include nulls. The ones I looked at were smaller games. All minis I think.

[Cabd]

I think that the level of EFFORT put into those reads is consistent with the strides I've come to expect.

Town S_S brings a jovial nature to his play that I don't think he can emulate quite as well as scum, even now.

I don't know that I'm confident assigning alignment indicative points either direction for the layout being a copy paste. Maaaaaaybe a townpoint or two on the scale of coupons worth 1/1000th of a cent.

[Something_Smart]

For the most part I'll stay out of this discussion unless you ask me something, but I can definitely provide context on my readlist styles if you want to hear it. And I just wanted to point out that I did not start from the OP; I started from the ISO dropdown. That's why the names are in alphabetical order.

[Cabd]

In general, I have no desire to go there today, but I absolutely want him to put in the effort he is capable of now.

[fferyllt]

I think that the level of EFFORT put into those reads is consistent with the strides I've come to expect.

Town S_S brings a jovial nature to his play that I don't think he can emulate quite as well as scum, even now.

I don't know that I'm confident assigning alignment indicative points either direction for the layout being a copy paste. Maaaaaaybe a townpoint or two on the scale of coupons worth 1/1000th of a cent.

Any other unclassified info you want to share?

[Cabd]

I think that the level of EFFORT put into those reads is consistent with the strides I've come to expect.

Town S_S brings a jovial nature to his play that I don't think he can emulate quite as well as scum, even now.

I don't know that I'm confident assigning alignment indicative points either direction for the layout being a copy paste. Maaaaaaybe a townpoint or two on the scale of coupons worth 1/1000th of a cent.

Any other unclassified info you want to share?

S_S is so town (For the classified meta reasons) that my heart wishes I could place him on the same tier as you.

Sadly, we live in reality. SO I'll have to settle for matching your doorway performance a la bell.