Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Bell]

@nahdia it’s a nuanced topic. I should have used my words more carefully.

@SD: what about you? What do you think of nahdia? What was your early approach to the game. Were you trying to pressure them or was it a serious let’s get rid of the lurker vote?

[fferyllt]

SD=DS?

[petapan]

well i'm glad you're here pooky

I'm also glad you're here peta.

if only we were scum together again :3 you could shoot me early ^_^

don't think it would work as well this time lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I love playing with you SO MUCH Pooky. I'm glad I returned while you're active again.

Melting.... <3

I will do my best to replace Syr altho those are some mighty big shoes to fill. I can't cop people but I have a remarkable sense of smell :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

don't think it would work as well this time lol

I think you could pull it off, just claim 1 shot vig or something :3

[Bell]

@FF: yup. I sure do abbreviate people wrong a lot

[Cabd]

Yeah this witch is putting herself in sleep jail kthnx.

Night.

[Bell]

Goodnight Cabd.

[Tammy]

Spending time with my other half. Will be here tomorrow or later if he passes out. (If I come back later, I've been drinking and I don't promise to make any more sense than bell has this game )

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this thread needs more Drunk!Tammy

[DiamondSentinel]

DS, welcome back!

...A LOT of this is super old but hey, out of retirement and back into the frying pan!

Town:

Spoiler:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p9849387
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=68191
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=69708
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67884
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68775
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65515

Scum:

Spoiler:

(*) https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p9864281
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73659
(As Hydra Space Coyboy, weird-ass setup) https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65649

*Game was abandoned by mod but D1 scumplay was had

Shockingly, my scum games have been very poor. I've very few good experiences with it.

[DiamondSentinel]

@nahdia it’s a nuanced topic. I should have used my words more carefully.

@SD: what about you? What do you think of nahdia? What was your early approach to the game. Were you trying to pressure them or was it a serious let’s get rid of the lurker vote?

Assuming you mean me, you're definitely off the mark. It's not a "let's off the lurker", but rather "this slot has had multiple poor showings. Perpetual lurking, terrible content, constant logical missteps, misrepresenting arguments."

Lurking itself is not a scum tell, and I don't policy lynch for lurking alone. It's in addition to everything else from the slot.

[petapan]

constant logical missteps, misrepresenting arguments

gonna need some citations for these

[Something_Smart]

Lurking itself is not a scum tell

Does this mean that people lurking are not more likely to be scum, or that lurking is not enough to make someone definitely scum?

[fferyllt]

Cabd you missed a scum game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64037

unvote:

[DiamondSentinel]

constant logical missteps, misrepresenting arguments

gonna need some citations for these

I quoted the biggest one a bit above in my iso. You can take a look there.

Lurking itself is not a scum tell

Does this mean that people lurking are not more likely to be scum, or that lurking is not enough to make someone definitely scum?

The latter, mainly. Scum are more likely to lurk than town, but simultaneously, there are a lot more town than scum, and so you can’t say “X is lurking so they’re scum”

[petapan]

i'm seeing 1939 and 1953 and neither clears the bar of "constant logical missteps" or "misrepresenting arguments". the strength of your evidence does not match the language you're using

[DiamondSentinel]

Considering those posts are
1. Part of a longer argument, and are what that argument hinges on, and
2. Part of a very small history of content

Yes, they are a relatively consistent trend. If I got my pants in a wad because fferylt said something contradictory in 2 posts and called that a consistent trend, yeah, I’d be out of line. But Nahdia’s lacking fairly severely in content.

[Tammy]

Normal traitors are told their teammates and lose if they're the last scum alive

If this is the case, then Taylor's thing about Diamond Sentinel being town at a weird time when nobody was calling him scum might be a thing.

[Tammy]

VOTE: Nahdia

I'm not liking the little bit I've seen today, and I

really

don't like the hard lurk yesterday. I need something to reassure me about this slot, and I'm not getting it.

But it didn't bother you yesterday?

[Tammy]

Nahdia doesn't seem like the type of person to intentionally do traditionally scummy stuff to get townread as scum.

Certainly not.

I'm not sure if you really believed in Tammy being self conscious, but now I see my man Diamond also making similar accusations so idk

you think I... didn't believe it?

I latched onto the initial post I pointed out (the one which replied was just a joke) because that's 100% out of my own scum playbook. The kind of post I basically would never make as town but am pretty sure I have in fact made as scum. That doesn't mean it's the same for Tammy, but in my own self-reflection I find I make that kind of post because when I'm worried about how to make a town post, the obvious (too-obvious, therefore has to be presented as a joke) solution is to literally copy the post of a town player. So I started looking for more evidence of that kind of self-consciousness and found the things I pointed out from there.

These 2 quotes read horribly. Talking about ones town game (or how to make a "town" post) is in my experience essentially universally a scum trait. It's really the strongest tell I can see.

there's a reasonable chance at least one of the 2012 circlejerk is scum and im hoping they just sort themselves out so i dont have to

Half-heartedly calling shade on a group without hitting on it at all later. Really hate this.

feels a little big brain to me. i can see the logic as to why maybe town shouldn't, but i dont agree it means town

wouldn't

do it.

not to be rude i don't need you backing me up in this argument and i dunno why it needs your comment over anything else

not to be rude but i don't need your permission to respond to posts in this thread

This entire back and forth with peta looks awful for both, but 100000% worse on Nahdia than peta. I'm not unconvinced it's scum theater.

i'll call pooky town too even though that's one more townread than i need.

more words, man!

feels legit

his EoD looks bad to me.

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

i thought the opposite but i'm willing to hear you out

he defends taylor, then wont elaborate, then just questions her without any followup, and never actually votes.

Potentially misrepping how traitors work, normally?

Traitors, as defined by the wiki, are mafia who know who the other mafia are, but are unknown to the mafia. My read on Pooky notwithstanding, I

really

don't like this misrep.

But how come yesterday when I asked you about Nadia and how you felt about them, your response was this?

I get nothing from them. The posts exist, technically, but they don't say much. In this instance, I don't particularly see it as AI but that might change. But they've barely interacted with people who are actually playing the game (they've got a bit with midway and peta), so there's not much there.

[Tammy]

There is nothing wrong with fence sitting!

Some of my best reads come from camping out atop a comfy fence post.

[Tammy]

Peta - talk about your gamma townread?

Can you?

Sorry shorthand don’t mean to be rude.

had been thinking the way he responded to me initially, the way he back off nahdia more likely town. later posts also seem to show a decent amount of scumhunting. like that he goes so far as to put bell ahead of himself in the last line of 1792 even if i'm not gonna follow the read, shows some depth of thought. on a reread of iso not as strong as i thought, some of earlier posts are still somewhat iffy but still probaby townlean over the players i have in the poe

thanks!

I spent some time on 1792 last night, and I came up empty on what I thought it meant for either of them :/

[Tammy]

My style is one that tries to obv town out the gate because I don’t do well with pressure.
Being harder to understand is in part because I don’t feel the need to be super clear.

I suppose whether pooky or i’m clear depends on whether the scum knew there was a traitor or not.

Why would you ever not want to be clear?

Don't be the Taylor's of this world.

[Tammy]

Hmm. Indeed, I don't care for those posts. I look at it in more depth in a bit, and I might be inclined to sheep you there.

What don't you like about those posts?