Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

[MURDERCAT]

I mean you should know from Roses that town Noraa can produce bad tunneled reads, what makes you think this is different?

[Noraa]

I mean you should know from Roses that town Noraa can produce bad tunneled reads, what makes you think this is different?

No I'm certain its not wrong. I've never ever had such strong gut/meta reads day 1. NEVER.

[Noraa]

I tunneled echo at the end bc I thought he was scum that tmi'ed. this is drastically different

[shellyc]

I mean you should know from Roses that town Noraa can produce bad tunneled reads, what makes you think this is different?

because she's not trying to push them

town!noraa in newbie 2032 d1: "I'm not compromising on counter wagon of Player X"
Noraa here: "eh lets solve other slots. BUT SHELLY IS CONFSCUM"

[shellyc]

No I'm certain its not wrong. I've never ever had such strong gut/meta reads day 1. NEVER.

fwiw lockscumming d1 is pretty suboptimal regardless of alignment

the early gut read was just gut. like I can't really think of town motivation to tunnel me, and as norms tunnelling for weak reasons such as "gut", and "meta" when Noraa thinks "meta is trash" themselves

[Noraa]

Im not engaging you any more. I've made it clear that I think you are scum but rn you are a vanity wagon so stop asking me.

[redcardinal]

noraa I love your profile pic

I don't really care about anything happening between you and shelly at this point it's just getting hard to read. I do generally buy shelly's explanation for maintaining a herta vote. want to see something from titus about this.

[Noraa]

haha thanks! courtesy to panzer in this thread:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=250

[MURDERCAT]

I claim town gravedigger. It's like miller except for watchers and trackers instead of cops.

VOTE: Herta

I don't really have an intention of keeping pace with spam, sorry.

I don't think the claim means much, it's a big deck. There is a werewolf gravedigger, which to me possibly suggests that if NPOM is scum they're werewolf/SK, but that's marginal.

Also, you really think I went to the wiki, found the gravedigger role, figured out what it was, and decided to claim negative utility? I didn't even know the role before I got my pm and I doubt most people do.

This sticks out to me, I think werewolf gravedigger claims a decent % of the time here

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like an answer to this.

I believe this is normal Noraa voting behavior

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Rannygazoo

naked vote on NPOM in the midst of discussion surrounding his claim is scummy. explain yourself.

Hi! I’m sure we’ll be friends.

I find this role list vastly unpredictable so I don’t know what else to do but vote and see what comes up. Happy to have contributed. I would consider it less of a vote “in the midst of discussion” and more of a vote in the “random vote stage”.

I’m inclined to believe the gravedigger claim because it’s easy to prove or disprove at night (with a watcher that sees them and the real killer, or a gunsmith, etc.) and it’s a negative utility role so there’s no point in concealing it from scum.

Didn't mind the vote, but why suddenly saying you agree with the vote if you just voted him?

[MURDERCAT]

Wait no. The watcher has to watch the person being killed. Tracker could get two results though if I am thinking about it correctly.

I don't think we should be bothering with sorting NPOM with night actions

[MURDERCAT]

I did see that there was a gravedigger claim, but I didn’t realize at the time that it was from NPOM.

i find the minor details here to make your story believable. you could have said the claim drew your attention and was thusly the reason for your vote, you could have said that you hadn't seen the claim at all, but saying neither is an unexpected twist.

you have passed the test. congratulations.

UNVOTE: Rannygazoo

???

That response looked bad to me

[MURDERCAT]

Town
username - efforts to solve renny and move the game out of RVS is protown
titus - engaging noraa instead of chilling off and further the game is protown
npom - because of claim
noraa - gut town + critical thinking and paranoia in 129

TBD
everyone else

i prefer to find town early on and PoE this through tbh

Based on roses this feels different than scum shelly but I need to meta because I know she has a strong scum game

[MURDERCAT]

I think I'm clicking with primate on page 6

[MURDERCAT]

kok red is gunna have a early townish pass, scum don't really bus super early d1. red is town, herta slipped and scumclaimed.

Very unlikely we see bussing in this setup

[MURDERCAT]

Herta looks bad, would have voted there for sure in real time

[MURDERCAT]

Eh..

meh.

Why did D1 last past page 8?

[MURDERCAT]

We have to be careful with our town reads as an SK can just scum hunt like normal and look totally town

Thinking this as I continue to like everything primate posts

[MURDERCAT]

I forsee a herta lynch today, but if not I will also happily go for shelly and then noraa on a red flip. Obvious distancing.

Things like distancing are probably also less likely in this setup

[shellyc]

Eh..

meh.

Why did D1 last past page 8?

murder this really speaks to my soul

herta. scum slipped. end of convo.

btw newbie 2032 was kinda a low point in my scum career and I was overloaded with games as well and didn't really effort it anyhow

[MURDERCAT]

If Herta is scum, then I expect one of Echo and/or Ico to be scum too.

I will random gen some setups later but I still feel like we shouldn't be looking for associations like this yet

[MURDERCAT]

Herta giving off major "you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibes here.

keeping my vote where it is for now, because a) i don't know how close Herta is to execution, and b) Assemble has given me no reason to stop wanting to vote him, but Herta wagon is good wagon.

I do agree with this

[MURDERCAT]

herta wagon is the best and echo staying off it is pretty indicative of echo/herta being groupscum?

Honestly this is just dumb Shelly, you're better than that. Scum echo wouldn't be so obvious about it

[MURDERCAT]

I don't like 367 from wiyvern