Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Datisi]

ico, if user is red, you should protect me

(^^ only a 99% shitpost)

[Noraa]

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[Gypyx]

votecount 4.2

Alonzo (0) :

TheGoldenParadox (0) :

Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (1) : TheGoldenParadox

Datisi (0) :

bob3141 (0) :

Noraa (0) :

Not Voting (6) : Iconeum ; iamausername ; bob3141 ; Noraa ; Datisi ; Alonzo

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to yeet someone, the day will end in (expired on 2020-10-22 16:13:33)

Random fact : In civilization VI, gandhi has a value of 12 on the "likeliness to build nuclear weapons" variable, the theoretical maximum is 10

[iamausername]

let's start off with some good old wagon analysis

first wagon of any real significance was on Noraa, as of 325, VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

Noraa (4) - Datisi,

BM

, TGP,

shellyc

Ico (1) -

pii

BM

(1) - Noraa

pii

(1) - bob
bob (1) - Alonzo

Mena

(1) -

Teacher

shelly

(1) -

Taylor

Not Voting (3) -

Mena

, Ico, iaaun

early days, so it's possible for the Noraa wagon to be all town, but less likely. small scum points for Datisi and TGP here.

after this, Noraa wagon dies, and shelly wagon appears, followed quickly by a counterwagon on TGP. as of 582, VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(4) -

Taylor

,

Mena

, Datisi, TGP
TGP (4) - Ico, Noraa, iaaun,

BM

Ico (1) -

pii

pii

(1) - bob
bob (1) - Alonzo

Mena

(1) -

Teacher

Taylor

(1) -

shellyc

Not Voting (0)

analyzing this is a little harder without knowing TGP's alignment. if he's town, Datisi is the only candidate for scum on the shelly wagon here, and unless Ico or Noraa are somehow scum, the only candidate for scum on either wagon. TGP, if you're town, this should be damning evidence that Datisi must die once you have my flip.
if TGP is scum, Datisi looks less screamingly obvious scum here. would two scum pile onto the first solid town wagon to appear in quick succession? not sure about that.

after this, there was very little significant movement for a long time. at the start of page 37, VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(4) -

Taylor

,

Mena

, Datisi, TGP
TGP (3) - Ico, iaaun,

BM

Taylor

(2) -

shellyc

,

Teacher

BM

(1) - Alonzo
Ico (1) -

pii

pii

(1) - bob

Not Voting (1) - Noraa

Teacher made an attempt to start a new wagon on Taylor that didn't take off at the time. mostly suggests he didn't want to join the extant town wagon on shelly because there was already scum there. TGP wagon had lost Noraa by this point, which could explain why he didn't join that one either, alternately, TGP being scum could also explain it.

in 1101, on page 45, bob finally cast his first non-RVS vote, joining the shelly wagon for absolutely horrible reasons that should have had him executed D1 jesus christ people. at this point, the VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(5) -

Taylor

,

Mena

, Datisi, TGP, bob
TGP (2) - iaaun,

BM

Taylor

(1) -

shellyc

,

BM

(1) - Alonzo
Ico (1) -

pii

pii

(1) -

Teacher

Noraa (1) - Ico

Not Voting (1) - Noraa

oh. so every non-shelly wagon died, but there was no scum at all pushing it? 5 town players vote for another town player, while every scum just fucks around letting town kill themselves? nah. there is 100% scum in Datisi/TGP/bob, and this VC makes it clear.

Bunno replaces pii, starts a counterwagon going on Taylor, which ultimately prompts Ico to put shelly to E-1. as of 1373, VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(6) -

Taylor

,

Mena

, Datisi, TGP, bob, Ico

Taylor

(3) -

shellyc

,

Bunno

,

Teacher

TGP (2) - iaaun,

BM

BM

(1) - Alonzo

Not Voting (1) - Noraa

once again, there is obviously scum on the shelly wagon at this point. Teacher being quite happy to join the shelly counterwagon when it's Taylor and not TGP looks somewhat bad for TGP, also.

BM then started a counter-counterwagon on actual scum Teacher, while Mena flipped the fuck out and made the thread harder for everybody to read. thanks Mena! as of page 70, the VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(4) -

Mena

, TGP, bob, Ico

Taylor

(3) -

shellyc

,

Bunno

,

Teacher

Teacher

(3) -

BM

, Datisi, iaaun

BM

(2) - Alonzo, Noraa

Bunno

(1) -

Taylor

Not Voting (0)

Datisi moving off the shelly wagon to join the Teacher wagon is not something i remembered happening, and is making me question my certainty on his scummitude. really not an opportune moment to bus. BUT I GUESS I WAS DOING IT ANYWAY, EVEN THOUGH I OBVIOUSLY COULD HAVE VOTED TAYLOR HERE TO KEEP THE TOWN WAGONS ON TOP. SURE.

this all gets consolidated a little more by 1880, and things look like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(4) - TGP, bob, Ico,

Mena

Teacher

(4) - Datisi, iaaun,

Taylor

,

BM

Taylor

(3) -

shellyc

,

Bunno

,

Teacher

BM

(2) - Alonzo, Noraa

Not Voting (0)

looking at how the day went from here to shelly execution seems like it will be most informative, as we know the alignment of every wagon at this point.

aaaand, in 2006, Datisi breaks the deadlock, and it looks like this:

Spoiler: VC

shelly

(5) - TGP, bob,

Mena

, Ico, Datisi

Teacher

(3) - iaaun,

Taylor

,

BM

Taylor

(3) -

shellyc

,

Bunno

,

Teacher

BM

(2) - Alonzo, Noraa

Not Voting (0)

and then Bunno hops on and Alonzo hammers. welp.

the main things i have gleaned from this are:
a) Datisi maybe isn't scum??? he was ultimately the one that made sure shelly happened over teacher, but his teacher vote really doesn't look much like bussing.
b) it is fucking obvious that i am town if you actually read D1, but nobody else is going to bother to do that so i guess i'm getting executed because Mena said so and it's not like Mena could possibly be wrong
c) Alonzo sure didn't do shit to help town achieve anything at all on D1.

there is literally no point in looking at D2 wagons, but i guess i'll have a quick gander at D3 and then do some isoreads.

also this

bob's case of "shelly is scum because scum didn't opportunistically jump onto her wagon" sure seems like a good excuse to opportunistically jump onto her wagon huh

[Noraa]

If datisi is town then the team is alonzo/user

[Alonzo]

Alonzo why you keep saying I have you in my pocket?
1) I have done nothing to pocket anyone
2) low-key shade bruh

What's the expression for ' I believe you, and have total faith in you' if not ' pocketed'?

[Alonzo]

I might vote tgp. Watch this space.

[iamausername]

the day begins with a couple of votes each on bob and Teacher. VC as of 2184:

Spoiler: VC

bob (2) - Alonzo, iaaun

Teacher

(2) - TGP, bob

Not Voting (5) - Ico,

Teacher

, Noraa, Datisi,

Mena

if bob is town, Alonzo looks bad here. if bob is scum, we have arrived at the bus station.

anyway, we did a 'massclaim' where pretty much everybody lied, but before that happened, the VC looked like this:

Spoiler: VC

Teacher

(3) - bob, TGP,

Mena

bob (1) - iaaun
TGP (1) -

Teacher

Datisi (1) - Alonzo

Not Voting (3) - Ico, Noraa, Datisi

reading it again, Teacher/TGP doesn't look s/s at all, again. i don't think TGP is scum.

after massclaim happens, Teacher is replaced by Prof, who comes into this situation:

Spoiler: VC

Prof

(3) - bob, TGP,

Mena

TGP (1) -

Prof

Noraa (1) - Alonzo

Not Voting (4) - Ico, Noraa, Datisi, iaaun

did he realise his goose was cooked? yeah probably. much as i would like to point to his immediate vote on me as further evidence that i am town, i think trying to read into anything he said is kind of WIFOM city.

and, eh, there's just not a whole lot to analyze from D3. there weren't really any competing wagons. there was just the teacher wagon. final votecount looked like this, for the record:

Spoiler: VC

Prof

(3) - bob, TGP,

Mena

, Ico, Alonzo
iaaun (1) -

Prof

Datisi (1) - iaaun

Not Voting (2) - Noraa, Datisi

so who's scum? as of right now, my gut feeling is that it's most likely bob/Alonzo. i don't think it's TGP. i hope it's Datisi/Alonzo, because i assume that's who you guys are going to execute after me, but i don't really think it is.

i am annoyed that TGP kicked off a massclaim without waiting for people to weigh in on whether it was a good idea, and annoyed that town players decided to lie when they saw that a massclaim was happening, because what that has ultimately done is produced the narrative of "bob is cofirmed town" when he really fucking isn't.

VOTE: bob

a futile gesture. if i'm not dead yet, and i can find the motivation, i will do some isoreads tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Alonzo why you keep saying I have you in my pocket?
1) I have done nothing to pocket anyone
2) low-key shade bruh

What's the expression for ' I believe you, and have total faith in you' if not ' pocketed'?

pocketed suggests scum whereas just about any synonym does not.

a futile gesture. if i'm not dead yet, and i can find the motivation, i will do some isoreads tomorrow.

AtE. Also explain why Golden is not scum. Why Bob?

[Noraa]

Lel I'm finally understanding how it feels to be able to be scummy af without anyone being able to say anything cuz ur conftown

I swear to god tho mods never give me fn >:(

Why do I feel like the consensus of user lim is falling apart?

[TheGoldenParadox]

[unv][/unv]
hm.

[TheGoldenParadox]

those tags don't work anymore? dang.

UNVOTE:

i'm going to reread.

[Noraa]

alonzo lim is going up?

[TheGoldenParadox]

i think alonzo is scum here.

[iamausername]

AtE. Also explain why Golden is not scum. Why Bob?

TGP really seems to be putting a lot of effort into genuinely trying to solve the game today when he could easily coast as scum.

bob has never once looked like he is trying to solve anything, and his shelly vote on D1 was absolutely heinous. literally his reasoning was "scum don't seem to have opportunistically hopped onto this wagon that i am opportunistically hopping onto".

[Noraa]

Golden, Iconeum, iamausername, bob3141, Noraa, Datisi, Alonzo are the people we have left.

I am 100% convinced in Ico town cuz without two strong prs, idk how tf this game would function.
Bc I am 100% convinced in Ico town, Golden is 100% conftown as well. I don't think scums no-kill day 2 in this game. I don't see it AT ALL
I am town. no fucking shit.
Bob is likely town since the town is low on town power but if one of the pr claims is a lie, its this one. semi lock town here.
This leaves Datisi, User, and Alonzo. I think we just kill off these three slots and it's game.

[Noraa]

TOWN BLOCK: Noraa, Ico, Golden, Bob(kinda)

[Noraa]

We have three kills to work with(2 lims and one vig shot)

I think we can do it!

[bob3141]

AtE. Also explain why Golden is not scum. Why Bob?

TGP really seems to be putting a lot of effort into genuinely trying to solve the game today when he could easily coast as scum.

bob has never once looked like he is trying to solve anything, and his shelly vote on D1 was absolutely heinous. literally his reasoning was "scum don't seem to have opportunistically hopped onto this wagon that i am opportunistically hopping onto".

see its thing s like this that leaves me sure your scum. Endless shade and at no point any bases for an actual scum read from you.


And even that your whoel scum read on me is wait one sentance. Somethign that you have sat on most of the day and really not done much else. When it finally came around to teacher being run up, you abandoned your scum read of him. You only joined teacher day one after menal had already started to hyper post about getting shelly lynched. When there was no risk of teacher going through the way he was pushing. So your vote on teacher hardly clears you. As when it counted and there was real chance of teacher being lynched. You were on the first bus out.

[bob3141]

The thing you keep trying to go back to even had nothing to do with the reason i ended up voting shelly. Which is something that would be clear to anyone. And feels very much to me liek you were scum trying to create a false narrative.

Trying to side line that very fact i was trying to figure out the make up of teh wagon. And if it was all town on a townie. all town on scum. or mix of scum and town. So again you ignor the very fact at that point i was tryign to solve. So your evidence for me not solving is me solving.

[bob3141]

if alonzo and bunno hadnt recklessly quick hammered i would have unvoted. As the wagon dynamic at that point heavily reminded me of prior game where i got heavily wagon at the start of day one. The wagon had been all town and scum had held of joining hoping to get misexe later. Guess what they failed and one of there number got exe in teh attempt.

ok they won but that was due to bold action by one of teh scum. so inlylo no one listened to me that its him.

[iamausername]

if alonzo and bunno hadnt recklessly quick hammered i would have unvoted.

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: alonzo

[TheGoldenParadox]

better lim today.

[Alonzo]

better lim today.

Better to hit scum today so noraa can take a shot.