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Flavor Leaf · Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:33 pm

I think Gamma is just trying to delay and help open scum team up for a victory

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:34 pm

I remember thinking 1 of BattleMage/Gamma/Mini is scum based on Day 1, so I’m just thinking Gamma flips scum here like 9 out of 10 times.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:38 pm

In post 1823, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1819, Gamma Emerald wrote:And like, we have 6 whole days. We can break this setup.
@Pooky very much, yes.
I don’t understand your hold up.

Already have broken it to its max potential.

There’s a lot of moving parts in the case a VT is voted out.

What do we lose by taking a few days? What does scum gain?

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:47 pm

“In the case a VT is voted out”

If you’re VT, it wouldn’t be “in the case” it would be a definite.

Also, Name 3 issues with it if you say there’s a lot of moving parts missing.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:47 pm

We already are taking a few days because we need Ydrasse to come in.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:50 pm

What happens in the case the vig shot is stopped by scum doc?
What’s the best way to utilize a no gun result within the remaining unchecked suspects?
Is it possible to turn a VT elimination into an assured town win?

I’m trying to think 3 steps ahead here. Nothing will stand in the way of my Mechanical Condamnation.

Ydrasse · Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:20 pm

i really don't have the energy/mood to tackle playing right now but i'll read over things, just point me in whatever direction and i'll do it.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:47 pm

In post 1830, Gamma Emerald wrote:What happens in the case the vig shot is stopped by scum doc?
What’s the best way to utilize a no gun result within the remaining unchecked suspects?
Is it possible to turn a VT elimination into an assured town win?

I’m trying to think 3 steps ahead here. Nothing will stand in the way of my Mechanical Condamnation.

If the vig shot is stopped by Scum-doc, we get 4 eliminations via vote(9->7->5->3) and our POE is 5 wide. That's why it wouldn't matter if Flava Flav gets blocked tonight.

Gun results don't matter if BM is our chosen last player standing because he can't be the goon due to investigation.

The only assured town win is if the last player we pick is not the S-Doc assuming we pick someone without a gun to be the last man standing.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:51 pm

There’s more to a kill being stopped by scum doc than you’ve probably thought of. Think about what it might say for some player’s alignments. Doctors have a specific restriction to what they can do that makes things very interesting.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:53 pm

like what?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:55 pm

I’m sure you can figure it out. Think about how doctors work mechanically. What can they NEVER do, at least in a normal?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:01 pm

i don't get how that helps us mechanically lock it down any further.

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:02 pm

In post 1745, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1730, Flavor Leaf wrote:Okay, so here's what I think the plan should be.

If Gamma flips scum doctor, gunsmith Pooky, I'm shooting Creature. Ydrasse doctors Bob.
If Gamma flips scum not doctor, gunsmith becomes irrelevant, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors Flavor Leaf.
If Gamma is town, gunsmith Creature, I'm shooting Taylor. Ydrasse doctors 1 of me and Bob, they don't say it out loud.
I say we go with this.

we already have a track on creature. we should check pooky. i also dont think you should ever kill me until the scum not doctor flips. we are gonna kill 1 scum for sure this game. if its the doc then im clear. we shouldnt flip me or BM until we hit a scum. we flip gamma then pooky then creature until we hit scum. if that doesnt end the game we re-evaluate.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:04 pm

ok I can sort of see what you're getting at but that's like an absurdly long shot and requires things that are unlikely to happen in any time-stream.

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:06 pm

In post 1778, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1772, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1770, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1760, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like I'm super paranoid of some Johnny next level scum play, but like, I can't even think of a tinfoil for it.
this is the situation i'm referring to. and from my perspective, if town loses this it's because we have focussed on mechsolving rather than scumhunting. In a normal scenario, Johnny is an easy flip. We'll see, I'm just going on the record now so I can save face if we lose. but if you're right, a win is a win, and gratefully received.
battle mage locktown
I think the game ends with Gamma fade, Taylor vig, tbh.

And if not, Bob can possibly catch out Creature anyways. It's just the process. Everytime you speak, I town read you, so I'm actively creating a situation where I'm defending you because you're the secondary option to fade today. I'm defending you in that scenario, if that makes sense.

how are you back to this shitty scumread?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:09 pm

In post 1838, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok I can sort of see what you're getting at but that's like an absurdly long shot and requires things that are unlikely to happen in any time-stream.

Who do you think Flavor should target tonight on a VT flip?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:15 pm

i think he should decide and not let us know

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:16 pm

or i guess he could let us know :3

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:16 pm

i believe in flava flav

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:18 pm

I think the choices should be within BM and Tay in that case.

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:18 pm

so... the vig shot should also not be announced publicly. we only announce who bob is targeting. then FL shoots someone other than that. and the doc makes a decision for themself. being vague maximizes the odds that our doc stops the kill tonight, and minimizes the odds that the vig kill is stopped. the vig kill being stopped isnt the end of the world but forcing a mislunch tomorrow is kinda bad even if it might happen anyway. we need to flip gamma pooky and creature first though. once we know that doesnt win the game then we can flip me or BM. creature goes last out of gamma pooky and Bm because of my half-clear. the reason i tracked creature is i wanted to track the towniest of the three - the one most likely to be performing the kill. i dont think creature ever sits idly while gamma or pooky do the kill. so creature is prolly town. that leaves the solve as gamma and pooky.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:21 pm

Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:24 pm

In post 1846, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

this post only comes from scum who is about to die and trying to create wifom.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:26 pm

In post 1846, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.

interesting

what has creature done to make you sure he is town?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:28 pm

In post 1848, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1846, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I really think Creature is town by play so the only way I accept a plan before I figure out what I'm working on is if he's the proposed survivor.
interesting

what has creature done to make you sure he is town?

Contribute to discussion. Like, a LOT. Flavor said it before, if Creature is scum this game, he's come a long way. Creature is the only person I will accept losing to.