Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

[yessiree]

Should we be hypo claiming in this setup considering there’s a cop a silent bus driver

- JV

This is a good point to discuss.

My gut says yes.
Everyone hypo claims two targets to swap. Cop checks either target.

[MiniVirgo]

Also a Cop is only 50% reliable due to the scum bus drive

-JV

[Big Elephant]

Obligatory since shelly is there and they're always wolf

gamblers = confirmed bad
OMGUS! VOTE: MiniVirgo

Should we be hypo claiming in this setup considering there’s a cop a silent bus driver

imo, im not good at mech but I think town bus driver should *avoid* driving nulls (cop invest nulls) and drive townreads with scumreads to outWIFOM the nightkill
I think hypoclaiming is a good idea

-shelly

[Big Elephant]

Who posted this

- Jv

the other part of me

I think getting out of rvs with mech discussion = decently protown
btw, that vote in 52 was rvs
-shelly

[Big Elephant]

"*Casts vote*

Oops that might get pushback

*here's a dumb reason*"

Thought process of a page 1 scum

imo, feels like shitpushing or trying to find targets early game. explaining self is NAI and you're turning it into an AI reason which is weird.
light red read on johnny

-shelly again

[yessiree]

A couple things for this setup

One, I don't think it was ever played before. (correct me if im wrong) So we're in uncharted territory
Two, mafia will try to mess with cop results with their factional bus. Will most likely happen they think cop will check one of them. This means reduced cop effectiveness, that said, town should still aim to maximize cop's effectiveness
Three, town BD *should* try to protect the most pro-town voice

[Professor Mafia]

Hello students, I'm your Professor of Mafia.

Step 1: Random Voting Stage: VOTE: Sando

In my opinion, not much to be gained from any of this. All the voting mod nonsense is anti-town.

I haven't ever played this setup (it's a mutantdevle one though so probably has some deeper gimmick)
+1 to hypoclaiming though.

[yessiree]

now that I think about it, hypoclaiming would actually be a kill deterrent to a player if enough people include one player as their target

[shellyc]

yess well we just try and claim spread-out targets

how about hypoclaiming cop only?

-shelly

[Big Elephant]

whoops, altslip

copying for ISO purposes

yess well we just try and claim spread-out targets

how about hypoclaiming cop only?

-shelly

[MiniVirgo]

Obligatory since shelly is there and they're always wolf

gamblers = confirmed bad
OMGUS! VOTE: MiniVirgo

Should we be hypo claiming in this setup considering there’s a cop a silent bus driver

imo, im not good at mech but I think town bus driver should *avoid* driving nulls (cop invest nulls) and drive townreads with scumreads to outWIFOM the nightkill
I think hypoclaiming is a good idea

-shelly

We should never tell the Cop who to check, as scum have a bus drive and it has higher priority than the Town one.

We should really just hypo who we "bus drive" and who we "copped", although still iffy on the latter as it might give away the cop via some non-cops being wrong etc.


pedit: Hypo'ing cop is not as important as the bus drive, as the latter can mess with the former if unaware.
- JV

[Big Elephant]

can scum self target then? if BD protects a protown voice and swaps with a scummy player, scum can WIFOM and the protown player gets killed

-shelly

[MiniVirgo]

Also like ass that was an accident, you did that to egopost on your main didn't ya


And yeah scum can self bus drive
- JV

[Big Elephant]

UNVOTE:
Light early TR on yessiree for thinking about setup and solving, and same for JV (though JV is very good scum)

pedit: thats a spicy theory :eyes

[Big Elephant]

just dont give results for the "copped" and let the real cop soft somehow? or just have very good reads and be a great scumhunter
or just claim innos as hypo

btw where is mini
-shelly

[MiniVirgo]

A couple things for this setup

One, I don't think it was ever played before. (correct me if im wrong) So we're in uncharted territory
Two, mafia will try to mess with cop results with their factional bus. Will most likely happen they think cop will check one of them. This means reduced cop effectiveness, that said, town should still aim to maximize cop's effectiveness
Three, town BD *should* try to protect the most pro-town voice

1. Oofers
2/3. Scum has their own bus drive, that happens before Town's meaning that protective the most pro-town is semi-useless and we shouldn't

ever

tell the Cop who to check. Not even in a given poe, they can decide on their own.

[MiniVirgo]

A couple things for this setup

One, I don't think it was ever played before. (correct me if im wrong) So we're in uncharted territory
Two, mafia will try to mess with cop results with their factional bus. Will most likely happen they think cop will check one of them. This means reduced cop effectiveness, that said, town should still aim to maximize cop's effectiveness
Three, town BD *should* try to protect the most pro-town voice

1. Oofers
2/3. Scum has their own bus drive, that happens before Town's meaning that protective the most pro-town is semi-useless and we shouldn't

ever

tell the Cop who to check. Not even in a given poe, they can decide on their own.

This was from JV

[MiniVirgo]

UNVOTE:
Light early TR on yessiree for thinking about setup and solving, and same for JV (though JV is very good scum)

pedit: thats a spicy theory :eyes

Is my theory true

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

just dont give results for the "copped" and let the real cop soft somehow? or just have very good reads and be a great scumhunter
or just claim innos as hypo

btw where is mini
-shelly

I think we should just do something like

Bus Drive - MiniVirgo/Big Elephant
Cop - Big Elephant (inno)

That way we have a 50% clear on any town that the real cop hypoclaimed, more or less chance depending on who and when it was.

Also mini is busy, but they'll post soon.
-JV

[Big Elephant]

Is my theory true

fine yes

[MiniVirgo]

yes

i'm smort

[MiniVirgo]

- JV

That's gonna get really annoying until I get into a habit lol

- JV

[Big Elephant]

I think we should just do something like

Bus Drive - MiniVirgo/Big Elephant
Cop - Big Elephant (inno)

That way we have a 50% clear on any town that the real cop hypoclaimed, more or less chance depending on who and when it was.

which is more or less what I said. but if real cop ever gets a guilty do they claim the guilty or random inno?

-shelly
68 was from shelly as well

[Big Elephant]

2/3. Scum has their own bus drive, that happens before Town's meaning that protective the most pro-town is semi-useless and we shouldn't ever tell the Cop who to check. Not even in a given poe, they can decide on their own.

not really imo, but i need to think about this more but at first glance i think scum would try to use SBD to make sure their kill doesn't get interfered with TBD(?)

[Big Elephant]

-shelly

why is this so hard