Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[SirCakez]

broad strokes. I'm looking for direct and specific answer, yes/no if you must.

are there any scumplayers putting in work?

who, if anyone, has done something this game scummier than doing nothing?

Yes, I don't think the scum team has just given up.
Randomly off the top of my head
-Bell and Nahdia made scummy catchups that I've talked about a lot
-Gamma keeps referencing some "signalling" Taylor did with me as reason to vote me and is not actually pointing to anything specific
-SS (altho conftown now) kept making excuses not to play the game instead of actually just scumhunting
-Cabd (altho conftown now) seemed to be leaning on nostalgia early in the game to avoid playing mafia

all of the conftown claims threw me off because some of my SRs were within that group

[SirCakez]

Elim-Pool (8 names)

Bell
SirCakez
Gamma Emerald
DiamondSentinel
Nahdia
The Bulge
petapan
midwaybear

I'm going to be focusing on this pool now

[SirCakez]

Gamma definitely looks a lot worse with that list in mind

[Cabd]

Elim-Pool (8 names)

Bell
SirCakez
Gamma Emerald
DiamondSentinel
Nahdia
The Bulge
petapan
midwaybear

I'm going to be focusing on this pool now

...Were you focusing on a different pool before now?

[SirCakez]

by focusing I mean digging into their posts more than I was

[SirCakez]

nobody except conftown has engaged me this phase.

not exactly true

Right now the names I want in the top half of that list (less in a hurry to murdererererez) are Bulge and Gamma.

why? these two are at the top of my list

DS PP SC BU MB. - Let me know if I missed yours!

I don't really like doing readslists because I feel like on certain players I end forcing reads that I don't really feel good about

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

2845 seems performative and forced.

Bulge is getting better but I can't get past Peta and Midway and DS looking better than him. The pool is so small.

[Tammy]

I'll be around on and off all day. I have a lot of grading to do, so I'll be at my computer and doing work here while do work there.

[SirCakez]

Tammy can you help me parse Petapan? I am not sure how to read him really. My TR on him rn is basically just based on his content and scumhunting.

[fferyllt]

Well.... I kinda hoped you had a way of talking me out of my death tunnel BEFORE I shot him in the face.

Sorry. My sleep meds had already kicked in at your 23 minute mark last night.

Rereading Day 2 again and will post thoughts.

[Cabd]

Sleep for the sleep goddesses is always a valid excuse.

[Nahdia]

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

but you specifically called me out as someone you can read well!!!!! why!? explain yourself!

[fferyllt]

I'm spending significantly more time trying to read people than being town read tbh. I've been inspired (corrupted) somewhat by zMuffin, this has had somewhat predictable results.

Are you trying to incorporate other aspects of zmuffin's playstyle?

[Nahdia]

-Bell and

Nahdia

made scummy catchups that I've talked about a lot

you have never talked about my catchups as far as I can see in your ISO.

[Nahdia]

in fact cakez, an updated read on me would be very much appreciated, particularly since it sounds like you have thoughts on my recent content which you havent posted about. because until now your read on me has seemed to amount to "bulge and nahdia are really low posters and i have a lot of conftown/townreads so they're my PoE". not that PoEing slots is a bad way to do it! but if you're going to refer to me as outright scummy, well, let's hear it.

[fferyllt]

he's asking questions that scum would obviously already know the answer to.

How so?

[Nahdia]

he's asking questions that scum would obviously already know the answer to.

How so?

is there reason to believe there might be a traitor and a fullscum in that group, rather than having a 4 person masonry as soon as the dethy resolves? anyone can answer but im maiy asking i guess from a 1) balance pov and 2) WWFGD

[Nahdia]

i guess.. it could be like, scum trying to sow doubt and discredit a potential masonry arising?

[fferyllt]

he's asking questions that scum would obviously already know the answer to.

How so?

is there reason to believe there might be a traitor and a fullscum in that group, rather than having a 4 person masonry as soon as the dethy resolves? anyone can answer but im maiy asking i guess from a 1) balance pov and 2) WWFGD

He said it had been a while but he'd played in dethy games, so he shouldn't be unaware of what a dethy is.

My thought with this comment in the light of having that knowledge was that maybe he thought we would mischaracterize the shape and structure of our neighborhood/role pms. I've played one other game that had a dethy in it, and I instantly recognized what we were from the info FG posted in the neighborhood. Bulge's later explanation that he wanted our neighborhood to have accountability resonated.

[fferyllt]

I don't have many reads right now (and maybe this will continue). I am still reading Nahdia as town, but my townread of Gamma has went away. Everyone else is null. I know this might be disappointing, but oh well.

Can you wrap words around these two reads?

[SirCakez]

so i wont have time to catch up until later tonight, but here's some content to read me on

i maintain 33 is a bad look. that kind of perspective-discerning logic always reads super ingenuine to me, and while it can come from town, i think scum are likely to throw it out because it's one of those "technically correct" points. that said, obviously there's a lot more content from that slot with which to read now, so my read may well change

didnt really get anything from peta's vote on me or the subsequent reactions, at least at first glance.

I'm not fond of that type of pizza.

Noted!

Now. Why me before Syr?

You're scarier. And you're around! I feel like I'll know pretty quickly if Syr's town. He and I have some of the same weaknesses as scum, especially interacting with each other.

This post stands out to me. Are you holding your cards close to your chest here until you get a read or would you care to elaborate?

VOTE: Alisae
bad push tbh

was liking midway but this post just... doesn't make sense in context. not sure what to make of it, but @midway i wanna know more about what was going through your head when you voted alisae here.

I don't get the point and I don't see the problem yet. I really doubt scum!Jake is going to come out of the game posting votecounts instead of trying to form connections with other people.

your defense of your partner is noted

am I doing it right peta?

this is also a bad look. feels very much like a post i would make as scum, though if people disagree that it's a generally scummy post i might just be projecting a bit too much. feedback welcome.

glad to see peta's "obvious townread" was the one i also felt was obvious (midwaybear)! unless he got bear town after he made that earlier post about having one townread which was obvious.

kinda liked 216. alisae is slightly leaning town at this point.

and now im at page 10!

Gamma I'm mainly going off these two posts. Seem very half-hearted (Nahdia admitted to this) and kind of reminds me of catch-ups I used to post as scum

This is what I was referring to Nahdia. You are correct that it is somewhat stale though.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.4

Nahdia [1] - DiamondSentinel
DiamondSentinel [2] - The Bulge, Gamma Emerald
SirCakez [1] - petapan

Not Voting [11]

- Bell, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Tammy, PookyTheMagicalBear, Jake The Wolfie, fferyllt, Cabd, Nahdia, SirCakez, Alisae

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[SirCakez]

i'm really busy rn but I'll reeval you sometime in the next two days

[fferyllt]

PEdit: Absolutely. Just because you disagree with someone's reads does not mean that they are not legit. Legitimate reads are reads that are working towards solving the game, not sowing discord. There are many people I've had disagreeing reads with historically that I also did not for a second doubt were town, and they truly meant those reads (and there are a fair few people who's said the same thing)

Wait, you're getting me confused. What's the differences between

Merit

,

Normalize

, and

Legit

?

Functionally? Very little.
To normalize a set of reads (or a stance) would just be to grant that it is legitimate and has merit.
Merit is that it's not complete bullshit and is worth discussing.
Legitimacy is that it is meant to solve the game and not sow dissent.

was really hoping DS would give a better answer on my question about his meta on me. as it stands it was basically a dodge.

Nahdia isn't here rn, be my scheherazade~

hello hello.
bulge's content this game:

Spoiler:

• votes DS for his anger at RVS being a bit performative. i did take note of that as well!
  
• i kinda liked 1122 for some reason. it's bold.
  
• starts asking lots of mech questions to clarify the dethy traitor thing. personally i find mechspeccing to be where a scum thrives, but i cant deny the town perspective here. he's asking questions that scum would obviously already know the answer to.
  
• his early d2 is pretty defensive, though not necessarily in a bad way? it feels strange to me that bulge would be surprised to be in PoEs in a way that i almost wanna say is towny.
  
• gets much more into sorting territory by 2679. i like this post and the posts that follow. the continual followup on questions he's asked makes the sorting look genuine.
  
• i feel 2806 deep in my soul

bulge feels towny to me.

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

It feels like there's a disconnect between these two posts. The first one suggests a structure and method. The second one suggests the opposite. When I read the first one, I made a mental note that I wanted to see if your iso suggests a fair amount of method in your playstyle.

[fferyllt]

Why would he super bus Taylor as scum?

Why do you assume that he knew taylor was scum? That's not how traitors work normally.

One of Tayl0r's first posts was a huge traitor crumb.

[Bell]

Woohooo, brain mush.

@FF. No just the reading more of other people’s posts and less reading of my posts, which I do as a means of quality control.

@cakez: #2850 @scummy catch up posts. You have?