Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Alisae]

I don’t think so either

[Gamma Emerald]

Please do so, then.

[Nahdia]

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

but you specifically called me out as someone you can read well!!!!! why!? explain yourself!

Because my gut reads are pretty accurate, especially against you. See: Soccer Spirits. (And before you point it out, yes, I was scum, but it was multiball)

so... one game. from four years ago. in which you were scum.

4. Confusion at this odd town bloc for, what I’ve seen, nearly non-existent reasons. I’ve yet to see a solid reason why Cabd’s behavior is town motivated, and I also fail to see that for Tammy and Syr, yet a fair few of my more confident town reads (specifically you, although that’s dropping faster than I’d like) proclaim that they are acting consistently with a town mentality.

Earlier you said that you're not good at asking questions. Last night I took a look at Cyberpunk, which we were both in, and you seem fine at asking questions? I know that not everything's going to be the same; I'm not myself. But what I noticed in that game was how direct you were with people where my overall impression is that you're talking a bit about people but not talking directly to them in the same way.

I was also going to comment on what seemed like a bit of a fixation with cabd, syry, ffery, and me, which were names that were given to you to talk about, and there you had your hands in a more variety of people. BUT I reread your iso this morning and my impression of what you were doing in that regard is not what you are actually doing, which just goes to show that I really need to get started on reading this game when I can focus on it and not while I'm trying to work. Anyway i want to leave this impression here to come back to if I still feel this way when I've reread.

BUT I wanted to ask you about this. When you say town bloc here are you just referring to the group of us town reading each other to varying degrees or do you think we're acting in some type of block?

I've changed a lot in 3 years personally. I'm not remotely the same person I was then (definitely for the better). But aside from that, I was also very familiar with those players. I know 3 people on this playerlist (well 4 if you count Nahdia but they aren't posting much).

I genuinely think that you guys are acting as a bloc of sorts mainly out of some very odd meta-buddying and I'm not a huge fan of that remotely.

in this post you point out you've changed a lot in three years. i'm still a bit baffled at 275 despite this exchange.

[Nahdia]

like, yall, to drive this point home,

this

is Soccer Spirits mafia. it is one of my first non-newbie games ever on the site: notice it starts like 3 weeks after my join date. THAT'S your basis for feeling like you can gut read me well!? for getting peeved that i wasnt posting more because you could were so certain to read me right?????????

[Nahdia]

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

[Nahdia]

i was town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

You sound pretty upset

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, as a side note, it means that you're proving my first point (the two aren't contradictory by any means). Makes me chuckle there.

Your first point being?

My point in the first one.

Wordz it please.

There's a difference between an actual read and what people accept as genuine.

How did I prove that point?

Your perception that what I have is remotely worth considering. Right now my reads are sporadic and I'm really just scrounge together "evidence" to convince y'all of my gut reads, and yet you think that I have a methodology with them, apparently.

If you think I have methodology, then my acting has been a resounding success.

How do you define methodology such that you do not have one

/shrug

A rhyme or reason, a rhythm, some consistency, external logic that you can point to when questioned? A gut read is just by definition one without a methodology, so as all of mine are gut reads, I do not have a methodology.

@Diamond

- Give me a read on bulge with some explanation as to why you have that read thanks

I don't have a read on them. I barely even remember them in this game.

what do you mean you don’t have a read on them go get one

I will when I have time (or feel motivated to do so). Right now I don't really feel like digging through their ISO so I just sit them into the null pile until it becomes imperative that I deal with them.

I don't need to have reads on everyone at once. That's stifling and takes away attention from the ones that I really care to deal with.

[Alisae]

I will when I have time (or feel motivated to do so). Right now I don't really feel like digging through their ISO so I just sit them into the null pile until it becomes imperative that I deal with them.

have you not been reading the game?

[Alisae]

I don’t understand how you just don’t have a read on someone who just decided to become active recently

[DiamondSentinel]

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

i was town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes.... It was part of my job description to mislead you. You're upset that a scum tried to paint you as scum in the thread?

Also, @Alisae, yeah. That's pretty much the case. I was a lot more active yesterday because I've got stuff I'm doing RN, so I haven't read up on some of the people posting a lot now unless they directly address me. This includes what's-their-face.

I... haven't been reading the thread as diligently as I should be recently, mostly just skimming for stuff I need to directly deal with. As I said, I'm busy.

[Nahdia]

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DiamondSentinel]

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One where I never read you correctly

in the thread

[Nahdia]

if im upset is because now i have to tease out whether in this instance you're either delusional and arrogant or just scum who made a throwaway line and then wasnt able to back it up.

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One where I never read you correctly

in the thread

i checked the scumthread too!!!

[Nahdia]

like, maybe you did townread me there.... in a game you were scum. but you never SAID so. so how is THIS your basis for feeling you have a good radar on me. am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty good at townreading people in games where I'm scum too fyi

[fferyllt]

Your perception that what I have is remotely worth considering. Right now my reads are sporadic and I'm really just scrounge together "evidence" to convince y'all of my gut reads, and yet you think that I have a methodology with them, apparently.

Interesting. I'm not trying to consider your reads. I'm trying to divine your mindset and motivation.

[Something_Smart]

am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

What exactly are you arguing?

[DiamondSentinel]

im pretty good at townreading people in games where I'm scum too fyi

Sure sure, but this was a multiball game. Pretty obviously so since our scumteam was like 4 out of 24(?).

[Alisae]

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

[Nahdia]

can one or more of the conftowns please tell me if this is something? or am i just wasting my time here?

am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

What exactly are you arguing?

ill quote the whole exchange and then try to summarize:

Spoiler: quotes snipped for relevancy/redundancy

Ooh a pagetop.

Anyways, I'm mostly just gonna go to the backline until Nahdia posts more. I can read them fairly well.

i'd really like DS to answer this question which is a response to post 275.

DS, can you elaborate a bit on you feeling like you have good insight into my alignment? How do you approach reading me in particular?

Ultimately my reads are perpetually feels based. I think that the "logic" that so often permeates this site is a facade to hide behind and try to make this game seem like it's any more than just a dartboard until someone gets flustered.

As such, I just look at people until I get a gut read on them and then I push them. You are one such person I can get a decent gut read for and feel confident about.

I was hoping for a little more than this. You called me out as someone you think you can definitely get a confidant read. That suggests you feel you have a pretty reliable meta on me. Why? What's that meta based on? You don't need to go into excruciating detail if you'd rather not list all of what you feel my tells are, but what are the general things that make me easier to get a gut read for you?

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

but you specifically called me out as someone you can read well!!!!! why!? explain yourself!

Because my gut reads are pretty accurate, especially against you. See: Soccer Spirits. (And before you point it out, yes, I was scum, but it was multiball)

so... one game. from four years ago. in which you were scum.

-snip-

in this post you point out you've changed a lot in three years. i'm still a bit baffled at 275 despite this exchange.

like, yall, to drive this point home,

this

is Soccer Spirits mafia. it is one of my first non-newbie games ever on the site: notice it starts like 3 weeks after my join date. THAT'S your basis for feeling like you can gut read me well!? for getting peeved that i wasnt posting more because you could were so certain to read me right?????????

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

the overall point im driving here is that i think DS' original post, 275 is unsubstantiated filler. there is in fact no evidence DS has provided that he has any ability to read me well, so the idea that town!DS would make that post feels less likely to me.

[Alisae]

Nahdia, you know how mafia players pretend like they know whats going on in the game completely but they actually don't?

[Alisae]

If Diamond is town then thats likely whats happening but otherwise it could be possible that he is scumpushing you

[DiamondSentinel]

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

Big Dethy Room in the Sky - Locktown. Not allowed to touch those (as much as I'd love to, pertaining to Jake. Speaking of which, where's Jake? I just realized I've not been filled with seething annoyance for too long)
Bell - Null!Scum. Had a couple things here and there that I do not care much for.
Cabd - Scum. My gut has only gotten worse since the whole fiasco on day 1. Although there was something about a mason above? With a dethy, I don't believe that the set-up would have both a dethy and masons. Still, can someone explain later?
midwaybear - Null!town. I'm apprehensive about how readily he's agreeing with me, but I can't point to anything more worrisome.
Cakez - Null. Not a null in a "I can't read him", but a null in "it can go either way". Some stuff I really like, but his interactions with the dethy and a couple others. have been.... interesting.
S_S - Surprisingly null!town. one of my stronger towns, but I'm not putting anyone in actual town because that tier is reserved for haha funny dethy-land.
Alisae - Null. Don't like your fixation on me, but I can't scumread you for that. You're doing your job. Some stuff has rubbed me the wrong way, but hey, that applies to most.
peta - null (slight town leanings, but not null!town). Constant dry humor doesn't off-put me here, so that's good, but other than that, I've seen some things that make me scratch my head. Specifically that their iso is almost entirely questions with a couple of observations. Not much that they've personally postulated. Nothing worrisome, but I keep them on my mind.
Pooky - /shrug. Don't remember them posting aside from snarking and the D1 cringeRP.
Bulge - /shrug. This is what sparked this.
Gamma - I... wish I had more. I haven't gained much on them, but this is really my last

true

gut read. Something doesn't sit right with me about them. I doubt that trying to come up with justification from the thread would work because my unconscious mind is not great.
Nahdia - Still think they're scum.

[Cabd]

...Holy shit.


What the actual fuck is the actual fuck of this game.