Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Cabd]

So by your own logic, if the masonry folks are faking... then your solve is 5 scum...

Alisae, Pooky, Cabd, S_S, Taylor

You should be casing.

[fferyllt]

I think I am also a little confbiased on these though? Which is why I'd love input from people who TR the two

How do you feel about his more recent posts?

[SirCakez]

Who DS?

[DiamondSentinel]

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

[DiamondSentinel]

Who DS?

Who who?

[fferyllt]

I 100% absolutely believe that it's some stupid inside joke.

Why can't they just be lying? I do not think it is a joke at this point even if it may have been likely before.

Lying, joking. What difference is there at this point.

As for my solution to it, the FG breaking site rules was dumb, but I 100% absolutely believe that it's some stupid inside joke. There is no way in hell for Fakegod to allow 8 conf!town in his game. Literally no way.

We don't know what scum's power is so you can't judge how balanced it is

Fine. Let's get into set-up spec. FakeGod does not design set-ups around night actions. (See: Fakegod V. Antihero, mainly, but a couple others. The former is my main experience with him). For a game with 8 out of 17 players to be conf!town, scum would have to have

very

significant power and/or multiple nightkills. The former goes against FG's design philosophy, and do I doubt that he's switched it up now. Plus, the theme is pretty clearly leading towards investigative/low night abilities. As for the latter, the scum team got one kill last night. Sure, it might be an X-shot night-kill and they saved it or our "doctor pair" blocked it, but I doubt this doctor is a thing (although I do somewhat suspect we have a doctor. I'm just waiting for a real claim).

Anyways

, I doubt that we're dealing with that high of a power level in this game. It's not in FakeGod's nature to design that.

Two sets of mason-lovers, one of which are also millers is a pretty big nerf of town power in a game with a dethy (which is already a pretty mixed bag).

[fferyllt]

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

So you're positing that up to two town neighbors have decided for some arcane reason to go along with their neighbor claiming that they're a masonry, not a neighborhood?

[fferyllt]

I'm lending my fainting couch and pearls to Penguin_Alien for writing that post.

[DiamondSentinel]

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

So you're positing that up to two town neighbors have decided for some arcane reason to go along with their neighbor claiming that they're a masonry, not a neighborhood?

Hmm. Actually, that's a much better situation than I'd considered. I just considered people were being shitty jokers. But it does make more sense. I'll buy it.

[Alisae]

So by your own logic, if the masonry folks are faking... then your solve is 5 scum...

Alisae, Pooky, Cabd, S_S, Taylor

You should be casing.

Except look at how many nulls he has
I actually feel like the fact he has so many nulls is a really important detail to consider here

[fferyllt]

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

So you're positing that up to two town neighbors have decided for some arcane reason to go along with their neighbor claiming that they're a masonry, not a neighborhood?

Hmm. Actually, that's a much better situation than I'd considered. I just considered people were being shitty jokers. But it does make more sense. I'll buy it.

My point is that this is a nonsensical view of the gamestate you're positing.

[DiamondSentinel]

So by your own logic, if the masonry folks are faking... then your solve is 5 scum...

Alisae, Pooky, Cabd, S_S, Taylor

You should be casing.

Except look at how many nulls he has
I actually feel like the fact he has so many nulls is a really important detail to consider here

/shrug

I'm naturally wishy-washy. I don't

do

strong reads. On a semi-related example, on my meyer's briggs that I just had to take, I didn't answer outside of "somewhat agree/disagree" the entire test except for 3 questions.

[DiamondSentinel]

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

So you're positing that up to two town neighbors have decided for some arcane reason to go along with their neighbor claiming that they're a masonry, not a neighborhood?

Hmm. Actually, that's a much better situation than I'd considered. I just considered people were being shitty jokers. But it does make more sense. I'll buy it.

My point is that this is a nonsensical view of the gamestate you're positing.

I see it very much the opposite. Amended to match your assertion, it makes a lot of sense now.

[Cabd]

Your posting advocates a

( ) rational (X) mod-meta (X) theory-based ( ) random

approach to solving the setup. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from setup to setup.)

(X) Your solve requires scum that all decided to gamethrow
(X) A counterclaim would have occurred already
(X) It fails to take into account mod experimentation
( ) The mod has done this kind of thing in the past
( ) The mod has explicitly disavowed a part of your solution in public before
(X) Your solve would require mod lies despite the "no" reply in the Queue questionnaire
( ) It would no longer be an actual game of Mafia
( ) This would require site functionality that does not exist
( ) Town would have to intentionally play poorly to win
( ) Scum could autowin
( ) Town could autowin
( ) Existing flips disprove your hypothesis
( ) Massclaim would break this setup outright
( ) Massclaim would cause a scum auto win


Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Players will play to win the game as their given alignment
( ) The mod takes pride and honor in their setups
( ) Modkills would prevent this
(X) Multiple players would have to gamethrow simultaniously

and the following objections may also apply:

(X) 2020 Meta makes this unlikely
( ) Any setup that encourages players to not use any of their abilities sucks
(X) Moderation lies suck
(X) moderation half-truths suck
(X) Towns that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
( ) Scum factions that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
(X) Wanting something to not be true does not make it false.


Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it works.
( ) This is a stupid solve, and you're a bad person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

[Tammy]

DS - it’s of very little value to be saying fakegod doesn’t do or like x right now. As far as we can find, he’s never used an actual traitor in a game either, but we have flipped confirmation that a traitor was used in this game.

He could be experimenting or trying something new.

[fferyllt]

I actually think scum is likely going to be in {Peta, Gamma, Bell, Cakez} tbh

Peta and Cakez are my townreads among the not-confirmed along with an extremely reluctant concession to self that DS could be crazytown, Cakez is the one I feel least sure about.

Have you played a fair bit with both of them?

[SirCakez]

Your posting advocates a

( ) rational (X) mod-meta (X) theory-based ( ) random

approach to solving the setup. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from setup to setup.)

(X) Your solve requires scum that all decided to gamethrow
(X) A counterclaim would have occurred already
(X) It fails to take into account mod experimentation
( ) The mod has done this kind of thing in the past
( ) The mod has explicitly disavowed a part of your solution in public before
(X) Your solve would require mod lies despite the "no" reply in the Queue questionnaire
( ) It would no longer be an actual game of Mafia
( ) This would require site functionality that does not exist
( ) Town would have to intentionally play poorly to win
( ) Scum could autowin
( ) Town could autowin
( ) Existing flips disprove your hypothesis
( ) Massclaim would break this setup outright
( ) Massclaim would cause a scum auto win


Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Players will play to win the game as their given alignment
( ) The mod takes pride and honor in their setups
( ) Modkills would prevent this
(X) Multiple players would have to gamethrow simultaniously

and the following objections may also apply:

(X) 2020 Meta makes this unlikely
( ) Any setup that encourages players to not use any of their abilities sucks
(X) Moderation lies suck
(X) moderation half-truths suck
(X) Towns that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
( ) Scum factions that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
(X) Wanting something to not be true does not make it false.


Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it works.
( ) This is a stupid solve, and you're a bad person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

this is such an excessive response for something so obviously wrong lol

[Cabd]

It's a copy-pasta.

It's a cabd classic, actually.

[fferyllt]

Part of me wants to get rid of the crazy noise right fucking now. Most of me wants to use as much of this day as possible to lay out a Xenogears style solve roadmap.

[Tammy]

Not really sure how I feel about gamma’s pop in posts.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think we should just ignore DS at this point and put him in the crazy bucket

[fferyllt]

Your posting advocates a

( ) rational (X) mod-meta (X) theory-based ( ) random

approach to solving the setup. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from setup to setup.)

(X) Your solve requires scum that all decided to gamethrow
(X) A counterclaim would have occurred already
(X) It fails to take into account mod experimentation
( ) The mod has done this kind of thing in the past
( ) The mod has explicitly disavowed a part of your solution in public before
(X) Your solve would require mod lies despite the "no" reply in the Queue questionnaire
( ) It would no longer be an actual game of Mafia
( ) This would require site functionality that does not exist
( ) Town would have to intentionally play poorly to win
( ) Scum could autowin
( ) Town could autowin
( ) Existing flips disprove your hypothesis
( ) Massclaim would break this setup outright
( ) Massclaim would cause a scum auto win


Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Players will play to win the game as their given alignment
( ) The mod takes pride and honor in their setups
( ) Modkills would prevent this
(X) Multiple players would have to gamethrow simultaniously

and the following objections may also apply:

(X) 2020 Meta makes this unlikely
( ) Any setup that encourages players to not use any of their abilities sucks
(X) Moderation lies suck
(X) moderation half-truths suck
(X) Towns that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
( ) Scum factions that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
(X) Wanting something to not be true does not make it false.


Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it works.
( ) This is a stupid solve, and you're a bad person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

this is such an excessive response for something so obviously wrong lol

He's meme-ing. It's probably less than 5 minutes worth of modifying a template.

[Alisae]

I actually think scum is likely going to be in {Peta, Gamma, Bell, Cakez} tbh

Peta and Cakez are my townreads among the not-confirmed along with an extremely reluctant concession to self that DS could be crazytown, Cakez is the one I feel least sure about.

Have you played a fair bit with both of them?

I played a tiny bit with the both of them

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am stealing this template for future use.

Thanks Cabd.

[Cabd]

It's a copy-pasta.

It's a cabd classic, actually.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p5006562

From XENOGEARS EVEN!