Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[fferyllt]

my take is either scum are trying to rile up the conftowns to get them to look elsewhere or towns are making a mistake

who is riling us up?

DS rn, maybe others

What others?

[fferyllt]

I 100% absolutely believe that it's some stupid inside joke.

Why can't they just be lying? I do not think it is a joke at this point even if it may have been likely before.

I think this narrative DS is trying to push regarding cabd and SS not being masons but also not being scum together is a super scum driven play. I’ve noticed ever since the very beginning of my mafia career scum tend to try to take this of angle where they cut out the base of conftowns’ mechanical clears without trying to actually put themselves fully against the conftown. It’s a play I can’t recall town ever doing to this degree and serves scum’s motives by trying to tear down the townblock. My vote’s already on DS but now I don’t really expect to move it at any point this day phase.

What are his scumteam doing around this play of his?

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

@Tammy DS is trying to destroy the idea that cabd is conftown but doesn’t want to put himself in a position to 1v1 cabd rn as that’s probably a losing battle.

Generally I see this kind of behavior on a less dramatic level where the scum just try to gaslight the conftown

. This is a much bolder move that speaks of scum desperation.

And then in the very next post, I feel like he's defined his own behavior as a less bold move than the one he accuses DS of making.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

So you're positing that up to two town neighbors have decided for some arcane reason to go along with their neighbor claiming that they're a masonry, not a neighborhood?

Hmm. Actually, that's a much better situation than I'd considered. I just considered people were being shitty jokers. But it does make more sense. I'll buy it.

This post is also hella gross as this sort of abandoning of one’s thoughts for someone else’s is often a scum move

I was trying to put words around the implications of DS's scumread of Cabd, to show him how absurd it sounded.

DS adopted the absurdities wholeheartedly, which was bizarre enough.

And here, you're scumreading him for buying into the implications, rather than sticking with the initial raw take.

Something's wrong here.

I actually think {Bell, Gamma, Peta} as a team makes a lot of sense and I feel like they all have very similar reads to each other

Why do I hard defend my theoretical buddies here rather than bus at least one, especially Bell who has been SRed out of the gate with no sign of a turnaround there

This post really bothered me when it hit the thread. "Your team is based on a logical fallacy because I wouldn't do that as scum", but phrased socratically. Maybe this is something town-Gamma would say. It looks more like something an experienced player might ask in teaching-mode in a newbie game than something town would say to a peer in a theme game. The peer being a claimed mason.

[fferyllt]

Vote: Gamma

?

Not that I particularly object mind you but your bone grafts in the spine have grown super fast to naked vote and not at least try your hand at explaining it!

I had a dream last night that I woke up and you had tried to figure out my vote and wrote a beautiful case on Gamma.

Dream.

Crushed.

Which is fair given my reaction to your dream!

[Cabd]

I actually debated doing that but then decided that it'd make more sense coming from a non-mason.

[fferyllt]

Hm, I lost my final point in 3276

Contrast the below with 3224

@Tammy DS is trying to destroy the idea that cabd is conftown but doesn’t want to put himself in a position to 1v1 cabd rn as that’s probably a losing battle.

Generally I see this kind of behavior on a less dramatic level where the scum just try to gaslight the conftown.

This is a much bolder move that speaks of scum desperation.

It's like Gamma inadvertently described his own response to Alisae in the earlier post as something akin to gaslighting the conftown.

[Cabd]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

[fferyllt]

You agree that those posts I quoted reveal a hinky mindset?

[fferyllt]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

I don't think I can teamhunt at this point. :/

Lemme think about this for a short while.

[petapan]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

if town: the bulge

if scum: the bulge

[petapan]

my new gimmick is going to be yelling at the masons to kill the bulge brace urselves

[Cabd]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

if town: the bulge

if scum: the bulge

I know, let's turbowagon the bulge and then:

If town: Petapan
If scum: Servant Assassin

[midwaybear]

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

Well over half of my posts came within the first 3 days, so I don't think there is any illusion of engagement or "noisy". Yeah, I am complacent, but that isn't necessarily scummy tbh.

[Cabd]

You agree that those posts I quoted reveal a hinky mindset?

I mean in general gamma feels like he's trying to have it both ways and turn us onto DS...


But midwaybears is out here doing his scumtell too.

(He falls off HARD once he does his initial burst of high energy efforting and against some players coasting on a day one townread is good enough but lol we're paranoid fucks that assume we sucked day one by the start of day two)

[petapan]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

if town: the bulge

if scum: the bulge

I know, let's turbowagon the bulge and then:

If town: Petapan
If scum: Servant Assassin

if i'm wrong on him you can kill me i don't give a fuck but between his approach toward diamond and his last series of posts i'm over the edge and want him dead

[Cabd]

Oh man, what a great p-edit post to chain off of.

[Cabd]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

if town: the bulge

if scum: the bulge

I know, let's turbowagon the bulge and then:

If town: Petapan
If scum: Servant Assassin

if i'm wrong on him you can kill me i don't give a fuck but between his approach toward diamond and his last series of posts i'm over the edge and want him dead

Do you see any anti gamma-bulge associatves?

[SirCakez]

what about Bell though

[Cabd]

what about Bell though

What about him?

[SirCakez]

why not turbo wagon him?

[petapan]

Do you see any anti gamma-bulge associatves?

nope, they could definitely both be scum. i don't think i've ruled out bulge with anyone given he was a nonfactor day 1 and everything from day 2 on is going to be much weaker in terms of tells. i could maybe say DS given bulge's vote there looked opportunistic but i wouldn't be super confident about it

[midwaybear]

why not turbo wagon him?

Well some of your concerns could have been addressed by some of his most recent posts, so I would exercise some caution there.

[petapan]

You agree that those posts I quoted reveal a hinky mindset?

I mean in general gamma feels like he's trying to have it both ways and turn us onto DS...


But midwaybears is out here doing his scumtell too.

(He falls off HARD once he does his initial burst of high energy efforting and against some players coasting on a day one townread is good enough but lol we're paranoid fucks that assume we sucked day one by the start of day two)

i actually think he can fall off in interest as town too although i know what you're talking about. i don't think he's in the danger area yet.

[SirCakez]

what are you referring to midway?

[fferyllt]

I 100% absolutely believe that it's some stupid inside joke.

Why can't they just be lying? I do not think it is a joke at this point even if it may have been likely before.

I think this narrative DS is trying to push regarding cabd and SS not being masons but also not being scum together is a super scum driven play. I’ve noticed ever since the very beginning of my mafia career scum tend to try to take this of angle where they cut out the base of conftowns’ mechanical clears without trying to actually put themselves fully against the conftown. It’s a play I can’t recall town ever doing to this degree and serves scum’s motives by trying to tear down the townblock. My vote’s already on DS but now I don’t really expect to move it at any point this day phase.

What are his scumteam doing around this play of his?

I kinda feel like DS needs to not be near el-lo if he's town.

/shrug

I can't remember the last time I was in it in the first place. I think I've been in it twice, once on both sides and I think I lost both times.

@Tammy DS is trying to destroy the idea that cabd is conftown but doesn’t want to put himself in a position to 1v1 cabd rn as that’s probably a losing battle.

Generally I see this kind of behavior on a less dramatic level where the scum just try to gaslight the conftown

. This is a much bolder move that speaks of scum desperation.

And then in the very next post, I feel like he's defined his own behavior as a less bold move than the one he accuses DS of making.

PEdit: Unless I can get anyone to consider this situation, there's no use casing.

But that's not remotely the point, nor do I care to continue this conversation.

Again

, town fakeclaim all the time. It's not optimal play by

any

measure. It's not entirely alignment indicative.

So you're positing that up to two town neighbors have decided for some arcane reason to go along with their neighbor claiming that they're a masonry, not a neighborhood?

Hmm. Actually, that's a much better situation than I'd considered. I just considered people were being shitty jokers. But it does make more sense. I'll buy it.

This post is also hella gross as this sort of abandoning of one’s thoughts for someone else’s is often a scum move

I was trying to put words around the implications of DS's scumread of Cabd, to show him how absurd it sounded.

DS adopted the absurdities wholeheartedly, which was bizarre enough.

And here, you're scumreading him for buying into the implications, rather than sticking with the initial raw take.

Something's wrong here.

I actually think {Bell, Gamma, Peta} as a team makes a lot of sense and I feel like they all have very similar reads to each other

Why do I hard defend my theoretical buddies here rather than bus at least one, especially Bell who has been SRed out of the gate with no sign of a turnaround there

This post really bothered me when it hit the thread. "Your team is based on a logical fallacy because I wouldn't do that as scum", but phrased socratically. Maybe this is something town-Gamma would say. It looks more like something an experienced player might ask in teaching-mode in a newbie game than something town would say to a peer in a theme game. The peer being a claimed mason.

Well, at least I found my lost point.

[midwaybear]

I was thinking this and this: 3229 and 3248.
I'm fine with going Bell if you still think his scummy-ness extends beyond though.