Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m in unbearable pain
I’m going to going to read properly in a bit

oh no (ｏ・_・)ノ”(ノ_<、)

I hope you get better soon.

[TiphaineDeath]

@Lav, so sorry, hope you get better <3.

@Anyone with a vig shot. If me and NPOM both make it through today, please, for the love of god shoot one of us. Like, preferably NPOM, but do what you gotta do.

[TiphaineDeath]

Like, I physically can't read five of their posts in a row, from any point in this game, without thinking they are scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB is looking increasingly scummy. Looking at her iso it looks like she talks to the whole player base at large rather than specific people and is not game solving.

VOTE: DGB

Vote for me if you have to, but addressing the whole player base is how I roll.

[DrippingGoofball]

Mmmmmm

TD might be town.

[chkflip]

You think?

[DrippingGoofball]

NPOM is also out to lunch with regards to his comment on my game solving, if anything I am super extra game solvy.

Sounds like scum rushing for an excuse to wagon. Just when I was convincing myself that he's town, I am going to have to think about this again.

[Starbuck]

DGB, I have a question. I'm still working through reading back the past few pages but this just popped in my head. I remember you being a lot more aggressive as town in the past (meaning like over the course of my time on the site). You seem quite laid back here. Is that just your evolution as a player from then to now? Or has your playstyle changed?

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't believe my play style has changed.

In this game, chkflip has been foaming at the mouth aggressive and unpleasant, I was put off by the Looker/chkflip hostilities, NPOM is a short post spammer, so in terms of game space, I feel squeezed on the sidelines more than usual. The game atmosphere isn't the worst I've ever seen, but there a lot if fun is being sucked out of it.

If you take a minute to iso me, I am just as spirited as ever.

If you take a minute to look at the reasons for which I am being, you'll see that there are none that stand even cursory examination.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway, the other thing I feel like demonstrates Walter’s towny solving drive is his attempts to analyze some of the IKS voter’s vote movements, but those posts are walls so I’ll spare the quoting of them, and if you can’t bother to find them yourself Ill just link the posts.

This was after I did the VCA that pointed to Walter and he was scrambling to dilute the water.

Would you like to refine your timeline?

My post: 1721
Walt's post: 1753

Why would he feel pressured by a rote back-end wagon push? Your “PoE” was just the back half of the IKS wagon. Honestly your wagon analysis was pathetic compared to his.

[Gamma Emerald]

Only not on scum: Lavender, Glaron, chkflip, Doctor Drew, Almost50 (look at all the people you're better than, Gamma! Wow!)

I was townreading Looker most of D2 and only flipped because of wanting to respect A50’s beliefs. Eat shit pal.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don’t get what’s genuinely scummy about DGB rn

[davesaz]

Anyway, the other thing I feel like demonstrates Walter’s towny solving drive is his attempts to analyze some of the IKS voter’s vote movements, but those posts are walls so I’ll spare the quoting of them, and if you can’t bother to find them yourself Ill just link the posts.

This was after I did the VCA that pointed to Walter and he was scrambling to dilute the water.

Would you like to refine your timeline?

My post: 1721
Walt's post: 1753

1721 was hardly what I'd call VCA.
1826 is the first thing you posted that can be called analysis.

[davesaz]

Aw, man. I didn't catcheded a scums, you guys. I'm fucking awful and Lavender and I used the fucking game thread to chat instead of a PT.



Once again acting like he's never had a wrong read in his fucking life.



We've literally conversed about how I'm more than willing to be wrong again.



Keep running that narrative, kid.

confidentsong.youtube



Fucking joke.

VOTE: chkflip
Shut the fuck up.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I decided to actually compare notes with what chkflip presented for Lavender meta and while doing that I
Uh
Subject: Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

I hate myself so much rn

Congrats! You hate yourself

What the actual FUCK, Lavender? I didn’t realize you even posted this while that game was happening but that was extremely fucking rude!!!!!!

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:

Behavior modification probably won't work anyway.

Note to self: I wanted to check if Gamma + Walterslot makes sense. I also wanted to figure out if BEF is actually trying to find scum, or only trying to look like it.

Was NPOM providing reads only because pressured to do so? Did they make sense?

I don't know DGB well enough to meta. Or don't remember well enough.

Pedit: Unless it's affecting this game, kindly don't bring up personal-ish stuff from another game.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Read my 3412 for starters. I don't believe DGB -of all players- misses the simple fact that the theme/flavour of this game is

guitarists

(and not drummers.. etc). yet she claims to have been using "flavour" to solve the game. Add her -inexplicable to me- pushes on NPOM and TD (and most recently her flip of a read on TP calling them town when she had been pushing for a hammer on them because "they feel like scum giving up"..). I mean this is most certainly the DGB I'm used to. This isn't the same DGB that played in the previous game either. Town!DGB is much more hyper, opinionated, intuitive, and stubborn, but -most of all- does NOT miss the initial info the mod had revealed well before the game ever started: We are all GUITARISTS!

So I guess I'm perceiving this DGB version as a somewhat refined version of Scum!stina or something close.. although -come to think about it- not even scum!stina would have missed/pretended to miss the theme/flavour altogether, so this feels even a biy worse than scum!stina.

[Gamma Emerald]

Length of the game chkflip linked: 38 pages

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=79402 33 pages
Lavender town game where she actually contributed quite well, enough to be the NK N1. Similar length to the game chkflip linked.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79906 273 pages
Another Lavender town game, this one was quite long thanks to unique posting rules but despite not being able to read all of it Lavender still kept up a good thru-line if engagement where she was actually able to have stable interactions with other players.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=83473 155 pages
Lavender didn’t really get dealt a good hand here but still tried her best to play the game

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1500 177 pages
Not only was Lavender reasonably engaged before she got elimmed, she stayed pretty active even after as a tree stump.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83866 58 pages
Despite the game not being too long there was a point where Lav fell behind and had to catch up, similar to some of her posting here, so it’s a good comparison point. I feel like in that game her catch up reads actually had some sticking power with her, rather than feeling transient like her reads her felt.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=82624 106 pages
Similar to the last game referenced Lavender had some issues with activity and I guess also the game atmosphere? Anyway, despite some apparent issues she still showed a decent level of solving and game comprehension. Compare to this game where she’s been eternally lost for the entire game.

So while this game may not resemble her one scum game, it doesn’t resemble any of her many town games either, and there’s a key difference between this game and her scum game in the game size and length. So I’d say the meta at least mildly indicates Lavender is scum here. I’m betting you didn’t think this far in your attempts to brush away the Lavender push with meta, chkflip.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: Read my 3412 for starters. I don't believe DGB -of all players- misses the simple fact that the theme/flavour of this game is

guitarists

(and not drummers.. etc). yet she claims to have been using "flavour" to solve the game. Add her -inexplicable to me- pushes on NPOM and TD (and most recently her flip of a read on TP calling them town when she had been pushing for a hammer on them because "they feel like scum giving up"..). I mean this is most certainly the DGB I'm used to. This isn't the same DGB that played in the previous game either. Town!DGB is much more hyper, opinionated, intuitive, and stubborn, but -most of all- does NOT miss the initial info the mod had revealed well before the game ever started: We are all GUITARISTS!

So I guess I'm perceiving this DGB version as a somewhat refined version of Scum!stina or something close.. although -come to think about it- not even scum!stina would have missed/pretended to miss the theme/flavour altogether, so this feels even a biy worse than scum!stina.

This actually makes a lot of sense. I’d definitely prefer chkflip but DGB is a vote I’d be amenable to

[DrippingGoofball]

@Gamma: Read my 3412 for starters. I don't believe DGB -of all players- misses the simple fact that the theme/flavour of this game is

guitarists

(and not drummers.. etc). yet she claims to have been using "flavour" to solve the game. Add her -inexplicable to me- pushes on NPOM and TD (and most recently her flip of a read on TP calling them town when she had been pushing for a hammer on them because "they feel like scum giving up"..). I mean this is most certainly the DGB I'm used to. This isn't the same DGB that played in the previous game either. Town!DGB is much more hyper, opinionated, intuitive, and stubborn, but -most of all- does NOT miss the initial info the mod had revealed well before the game ever started: We are all GUITARISTS!

So I guess I'm perceiving this DGB version as a somewhat refined version of Scum!stina or something close.. although -come to think about it- not even scum!stina would have missed/pretended to miss the theme/flavour altogether, so this feels even a biy worse than scum!stina.

Re: role flavor -

YOU HAVE NOT READ MY ISO

- if you're town, go read it and hang your head in shame. I repeat: hang your head in shame.

If you want some trash meta, go read my most recent finished game where

a scum outed his scum flavor on Day 2 (or was I day 1?)

, and

everyone missed this, including me.

The rest is trash meta "I am

PERCEIVING

this and that and DGB

would

do this and that and DGB is

like

a

version

of another player" -

This is exactly the kind of case that scum feel safe making. All about your feefees and how you decided I should act. A bunch of

weasel words

from someone who's not reading.

Scurry back to your PT and beg your scum pals for advice.

[DrippingGoofball]

This actually makes a lot of sense.

Read it again and count the weasel words. The maybes, the ifs, the "I mean this is most certainly" and the trash...

OMG that reminds me

[Gamma Emerald]

Re: role flavor - YOU HAVE NOT READ MY ISO - if you're town, go read it and hang your head in shame. I repeat: hang your head in shame.

Could you actually say how your ISO demonstrates that you overlooking basic information from the sign-ups isn’t actually scummy? The part I see as valuable in that assessment is that you reached for a reason to hunt out certain people and landed on a reason that makes no sense. I would expect town

in general

to try to make a more sensible suggestion about what to look for. I’d be able to write it off if you weren’t really paying attention or into the game but that’s clearly not the case rn.

[DrippingGoofball]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=83473

Almost50 PLAYED IN THAT GAME WHERE EVERYONE MISSED THE SCUM FLAVOR

Adorable/pisskop/Thun has claimed "Clint Rosewood" the scum flavor https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12005102 and everyone missed it.

Lavender was in this game... Pooky was in this game... chkflip... Iecerint....

[DrippingGoofball]

Re: role flavor - YOU HAVE NOT READ MY ISO - if you're town, go read it and hang your head in shame. I repeat: hang your head in shame.

Could you actually say how your ISO demonstrates that you overlooking basic information from the sign-ups isn’t actually scummy? The part I see as valuable in that assessment is that you reached for a reason to hunt out certain people and landed on a reason that makes no sense. I would expect town

in general

to try to make a more sensible suggestion about what to look for. I’d be able to write it off if you weren’t really paying attention or into the game but that’s clearly not the case rn.

Even IKS scum felt his own role was close enough to the guitarist flavor that he felt safe outing it.

I'm going to guess you didn't read my iso, either.

[Gamma Emerald]

I also feel like you’re inflating the density of the weasel words in that post, and they don’t even seem like weasel words to begin with. I myself tend to talk like that to try and convey my thought process, as I try not to present myself as more confident than I really am.