mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[MathBlade]

If it’s multiball trying to figure out why only one scum team is mentioned in day open and flip?

If it's MB I'd say the reason is we have "specific faction Cops", and -if so- then it's most likely the "other Cop" didn't act (again, most likely because they're EVEN NIGHT and this one is ODD NIGHT or something). The reason I'm suggesting this is because it'd be most strange to give one Cop a "Public Reporter" Modifier (is that what it's called) and not the other.

But that is IF it's MB at all.

I am leaning towards not multiball just the wagons don’t make sense.

I hope kinda starting today fresh will give me a handle on things.

[Almost50]

Is there something I missed that implies that Gamma was groupscum and not 3p?

1- The name of the faction (certainly you don't think of a lone 3P when you read "Army", do you?)
2- The fact Norwee has just been confirmed not a member of that specific faction.

[MathBlade]

What i'm trying to say is that i don't see a vig killing either of Ban Hydras or Menalque. But a Serial Killer might target either.

I could see a vig targeting Menal. But my meta on them is old.

[TheGoldenParadox]

i feel like the public cop saying norwee isn't a member of that faction as opposed to specifically aligned with the town is meant to imply the existence of an actual 3p or multiball (not the supposed miller masons)

i also really hate the entire miller mason thing because there isn't any way to confirm it (iirc they said their role pms and therefore their flips are very sparse, and investigating that won't work at all)
willing to townbin a50 and sb9 for today, but i'm not sure how to feel there.

[PlusJOYED]

im very interested in shellys first post considering I targeted them last night. too bad she's aussie / different timezone

Looks like you’re new. Here’s a hint if you’re town: don’t claim a PR type role and say awaiting in response because of it. You’ve just told scum you’re a PR when we’re down a tracker and I noticed some pants slips earlier so bad idea. Now you have also given Shelly an “out” of what to fakeclaiming possibly. Just instead next time drop a vote and see how it goes. If you’re scum by all means keep this up because it will help me out.

i normally would, but we have an ascetic claim and dead alien so if thats true we don't very likely have a way to make shelly not targetable so I need to know if my action went through. I'm odd night and either loyal or disloyal not gonna share which.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i feel like the public cop saying norwee isn't a member of that faction as opposed to specifically aligned with the town is meant to imply the existence of an actual 3p or multiball (not the supposed miller masons)

i also really hate the entire miller mason thing because there isn't any way to confirm it (iirc they said their role pms and therefore their flips are very sparse, and investigating that won't work at all)
willing to townbin a50 and sb9 for today, but i'm not sure how to feel there.

Too bad that awkward buddying-distancing combo of mine on Gamma didn't work out eh?

[MathBlade]

Is there something I missed that implies that Gamma was groupscum and not 3p?

1- The name of the faction (certainly you don't think of a lone 3P when you read "Army", do you?)
2- The fact Norwee has just been confirmed not a member of that specific faction.

3P one shots are also very rare. So very likely gamma was group scum.

[TheGoldenParadox]

What i'm trying to say is that i don't see a vig killing either of Ban Hydras or Menalque. But a Serial Killer might target either.

I could see a vig targeting Menal. But my meta on them is old.

i can't. wifom, of course, but gamma going down and pointing menal doesn't seem scumpartnery, it really seems like wifom-veiled "taking a townie down"

also, welcome back blade! haven't seen you in a bit

[Almost50]

im very interested in shellys first post considering I targeted them last night.

And why exactly are you claiming this beforehand and out of the blue??

[TheGoldenParadox]

i feel like the public cop saying norwee isn't a member of that faction as opposed to specifically aligned with the town is meant to imply the existence of an actual 3p or multiball (not the supposed miller masons)

i also really hate the entire miller mason thing because there isn't any way to confirm it (iirc they said their role pms and therefore their flips are very sparse, and investigating that won't work at all)
willing to townbin a50 and sb9 for today, but i'm not sure how to feel there.

Too bad that awkward buddying-distancing combo of mine on Gamma didn't work out eh?

no idea WHAT that was, but i'll reread when i'm back on desktop and look at if you being on a different scumteam or 3p is reasonable. until then, you can be town.

[Almost50]

A50 how many win conditions do you have?

Didn't you ask that 16 posts ago??

[NorwegianboyEE]

i feel like the public cop saying norwee isn't a member of that faction as opposed to specifically aligned with the town is meant to imply the existence of an actual 3p or multiball (not the supposed miller masons)

i also really hate the entire miller mason thing because there isn't any way to confirm it (iirc they said their role pms and therefore their flips are very sparse, and investigating that won't work at all)
willing to townbin a50 and sb9 for today, but i'm not sure how to feel there.

Too bad that awkward buddying-distancing combo of mine on Gamma didn't work out eh?

no idea WHAT that was, but i'll reread when i'm back on desktop and look at if you being on a different scumteam or 3p is reasonable. until then, you can be town.

You have no idea? I copied the exact wording you used to describe why you scumread me.

[Titus]

A lot of day one seems like RVS though and spam. Kinda would love Titus and Mastina’s opinion on what happened day one and why the gamma wagon went through so I can get footing.

I will answer this partially when I get home and share my VCA notes as yesterday's wagons were weird.

[MathBlade]

Town	Titus Plusjoyed Diamond Sentinel Nero Cain shellyc A50 Ban Hydras mastina Menalque
Above Null	NorweiganboyEE The Golden Paradox superbowl9 Bell
Null	DrDolittle EchoVision Vecna jjh927
Lean Scum	Chemist1422 April Ludgate Morning Mage Pickaxe Pete
Scum	Tayl0r Swift

Here are the results of my VCA last night. My notes will have to wait until I get home and have computer access.

Titus why are you just posting a random VCA here? I want to understand where your head is at. This doesn’t take into account deaths. Yes you did it last night but why share it now? It’s already out of date. Can you redo it accounting for deaths when you get home please and answer my question to you?

[MathBlade]

A lot of day one seems like RVS though and spam. Kinda would love Titus and Mastina’s opinion on what happened day one and why the gamma wagon went through so I can get footing.

I will answer this partially when I get home and share my VCA notes as yesterday's wagons were weird.

Sorry mobile post. Didn’t see this.

[Titus]

im very interested in shellys first post considering I targeted them last night. too bad she's aussie / different timezone

Looks like you’re new. Here’s a hint if you’re town: don’t claim a PR type role and say awaiting in response because of it. You’ve just told scum you’re a PR when we’re down a tracker and I noticed some pants slips earlier so bad idea. Now you have also given Shelly an “out” of what to fakeclaiming possibly. Just instead next time drop a vote and see how it goes. If you’re scum by all means keep this up because it will help me out.

i normally would, but we have an ascetic claim and dead alien so if thats true we don't very likely have a way to make shelly not targetable so I need to know if my action went through. I'm odd night and either loyal or disloyal not gonna share which.

Wait why do we need shellyc not to get targetable?

[Almost50]

Is there something I missed that implies that Gamma was groupscum and not 3p?

1- The name of the faction (certainly you don't think of a lone 3P when you read "Army", do you?)
2- The fact Norwee has just been confirmed not a member of that specific faction.

3P one shots are also very rare. So very likely gamma was group scum.

Yeah, that too.

[Titus]

I'll punt on that until shellyc posts as it's apparently important.

[Morning Mage]

Is there something I missed that implies that Gamma was groupscum and not 3p?

It's King Donatellos'

Army

, is it not?

it's a large team but still a size that I think makes it probable multiball. But I have seen a 4 man team in a 25 man game so take that for what it's worth.

also, this

I think it is multiball because of Gamma's end of day 1 behaviour. He was crying out that Mena was scum pretty hard which I found really hard to believe scum would do.

Could be single groupscum and SK imo.
I don't think either BH or Mena were especially guilty looking with Gamma being confirmed scum. And Gamma's attack on Mena could be from mafia worried about serial killer rather than opposing groupscum.

That's fair, the kills are really odd. I could see something really wacky like multiball + sk + vig but the multiball teams have no NK

~Morning

[MathBlade]

OK, that's enough. O would have loved to wait longer, but I can't have the day ending (1) So abruptly, and (b) with a very likely miselimination

I am a Miller Mason

I won't out who else is (we obviously share a PT courtesy of being Masons), but I will point you out to my -rather obvious- crumb at the start if the game.

If you ISO me, you'd find I posted 3 videos in my opening 3 posts. The first one: "I'm a bitch, I'm a lover" is meant to crumb I am something and it's opposite. Bitch/Lover, Child/Mother, Sinner/Saint >>> Miller/Mason

The second video is a song by Steve

Miller

band, and the third is by Dave

Mason

.

Now here's what first caught my attention about Norwee

:

Claim Miller Mason, Daycop, scum. - I sleep
Claim VT - I triggered.

As I saw this I thought to myself "Who the freak thinks of Miller Mason out of the blue?" and given I was (still am) under the impression Scum either picked roles (but not whom they're assigned to)

OR

are heavily informed I deduced there may be a Day Cop in play (thought that might be [redacted] when they [redacted][redacted]). But anyway, that was when I started looking at Norwee more closely.

When Bell asked about the setup, some people ignored it, some questioned it, and some tried to put off the notion Scum had anything to do with roles or knowledge about them:

Titus

was one, but I can see Town!Titus not noticing, so that's probably NAI

PlusJOYED

did it, and in a way that I deemed fake

mastina

did it (albeit in more style as always) and coupled with her weird push on Gamma vs Norwee I am truly and utterly worried she might have rolled scum here

I have other suspects, but this issue doesn't play any part in my reads on them, so let me stop at this.

If forced to provide a scum pool (and not limit myself to a certain number like mastina does) I's bet all scum are in:

Spoiler:

Hah! You thought I'd be giving you a list of whom my brother Masons are not?? Silly you!

This also needs a review with a public cop.

@schadd: Do you publically answer questions? If so if a Miller was publically copped however that happened would any modifiers such as miller or godfather come into effect? Or is this the “mod ordained” truth?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus i take it Taylor Swift is your preferred elimination today?

[Titus]

@Math, what do you think of my VCA even though it's out of date?

[PlusJOYED]

im town and loyal or disloyal. an ascetic or rolestopper effect would change the result and I"m saying we very likely don't have that. Basically wanna force a possible scum!shelly to take a 50/50.

[Titus]

Titus i take it Taylor Swift is your preferred elimination today?

Taylor swift followed by April or Morning Mage.

[Titus]

I need to update my VCA to verify though. Math is correct.