mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[April Ludgate]

Creature that one time I claimed Miller as scum.

[Morning Mage]

VCA isn’t that effective this early, case in point, it brings scummier for people like e who just went around that much. Especially if this is multiball. VCA is t gonna do anything more than a supplementary to a case.

agree on principle of VCA being not so valuable this early. Titus wheeling it out this early feels a bit showboaty. Also as a general tip - VCA is more effective when you don't prime everyone in advance with the promise of VCA.

I detected motion from Titus

Can we please stop outright claiming? I literally just said so above. Titus if scum is a master scum. You don’t need to give her any outs. We still hadn’t resolved the last one where someone claimed loyal/disloyal. I seriously told you how to do it.

Having played lots of games with Titus, I would say she is significantly stronger as town than scum.

And I can catch master scum Titus if she is scum.

If anything, I’m the person in the game who should harness Titus if we think she is scum.

Be a hero.

[Bell]

Oh god this game is multi ball and I’m town.

[Morning Mage]

2 observations as i catch up:

1. Assume Menalque was targetted by a Vig.
2. Why would a town faction daycop not target the claimed miller-masons? to get a double result

...you do realize the contradiction in this right

nope - indulge me?

who cops a miller claim

it's a faction cop. so I assumed it would reveal the faction, rather than alignment? although maybe I'm wrong!

I also don’t like Titus’ reads list like that, so I outed because yeah. Wasn’t gonna sit here with Taylor and I getting targeted like that.

I definitely feel there’s chance for ScumTitus here to be abusing the fact she does VCA to relay her reads, but I don’t really like the conclusions she brought from it, especially considering I don’t really usually mind when Titus does VCA, so the fact that I have issues, as I’m someone who actively does VCA with success, I just feel my motion detect is now more likely to be hitting scumTitus than not, but I could be wrong, and I plan to figure that out overtime.

more importantly than any of that, my scummy senses are tingling strongly in Titus' direction. Yes, I unashamedly want the credit for being the first one to call it.

VOTE: Titus

[April Ludgate]

I don’t mind the VCA in general, it’s just the reliance on it, in proposed multiball, Day 1.

[Something_Smart]

who cops a miller claim

well it clearly wasn't a cop because it wouldn't have been fooled by a miller.

[Something_Smart]

Oh god this game is multi ball and I’m town.

Better than it being multiball and you being scum

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, how’s that feel?

[Chemist1422]

okay so wait

if we have a faction cop and likely multiball

how does the miller claim hold up?

can one of the millers claim exactly how that passive works?

[April Ludgate]

Where’s the Miller claim again, for people not following along?

[Chemist1422]

OK, that's enough. O would have loved to wait longer, but I can't have the day ending (1) So abruptly, and (b) with a very likely miselimination

I am a Miller Mason

I won't out who else is (we obviously share a PT courtesy of being Masons), but I will point you out to my -rather obvious- crumb at the start if the game.

If you ISO me, you'd find I posted 3 videos in my opening 3 posts. The first one: "I'm a bitch, I'm a lover" is meant to crumb I am something and it's opposite. Bitch/Lover, Child/Mother, Sinner/Saint >>> Miller/Mason

The second video is a song by Steve

Miller

band, and the third is by Dave

Mason

.

Now here's what first caught my attention about Norwee

:

Claim Miller Mason, Daycop, scum. - I sleep
Claim VT - I triggered.

As I saw this I thought to myself "Who the freak thinks of Miller Mason out of the blue?" and given I was (still am) under the impression Scum either picked roles (but not whom they're assigned to)

OR

are heavily informed I deduced there may be a Day Cop in play (thought that might be [redacted] when they [redacted][redacted]). But anyway, that was when I started looking at Norwee more closely.

When Bell asked about the setup, some people ignored it, some questioned it, and some tried to put off the notion Scum had anything to do with roles or knowledge about them:

Titus

was one, but I can see Town!Titus not noticing, so that's probably NAI

PlusJOYED

did it, and in a way that I deemed fake

mastina

did it (albeit in more style as always) and coupled with her weird push on Gamma vs Norwee I am truly and utterly worried she might have rolled scum here

I have other suspects, but this issue doesn't play any part in my reads on them, so let me stop at this.

If forced to provide a scum pool (and not limit myself to a certain number like mastina does) I's bet all scum are in:

Spoiler:

Hah! You thought I'd be giving you a list of whom my brother Masons are not?? Silly you!

[Morning Mage]

I don’t mind the VCA in general, it’s just the reliance on it, in proposed multiball, Day 1.

agree

[Chemist1422]

from my experience with titus she's pretty well-known for her VCA

and i don't think d2 after a scum flip is a bad time for it

[Tayl0r Swift]

i don't think the md claim is worth much tbh

actually i think it's more likely to be a fakeclaim than a legit guilty because tracker/MD in the same setup don't make a ton of sense

i mean full tracker and public cop are already pretty powerful on their own

[Bell]

VOTE: Titus

[Tayl0r Swift]

I detected motion from Titus

i told you Titus was scum

ping!

[Tayl0r Swift]

@schadd: Do you publically answer questions? If so if a Miller was publically copped however that happened would any modifiers such as miller or godfather come into effect? Or is this the “mod ordained” truth?

if there were the possibility of that kind of result tampering i would indicate as such. for instance, the information regarding norwegianboyee at the start of today is indeed true

doesnt this imply that the cop is miller-proof or that there are no millers in the game? or am i missing something?

[Morning Mage]

I detected motion from Titus

i told you Titus was scum

ping!

she got your scumdar going too?

[MathBlade]

from my experience with titus she's pretty well-known for her VCA

and i don't think d2 after a scum flip is a bad time for it

I agree the timing is good but the fact she didn’t take into account known information and wanted to set my biases from it is troubling. VCA becomes viable the moment a scum flip happens but must take into account all info.

I need to see what Mastina thinks given Titus’s hard defense.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Oh god this game is multi ball and I’m town.

is that a hard claim?

[Morning Mage]

@schadd: Do you publically answer questions? If so if a Miller was publically copped however that happened would any modifiers such as miller or godfather come into effect? Or is this the “mod ordained” truth?

if there were the possibility of that kind of result tampering i would indicate as such. for instance, the information regarding norwegianboyee at the start of today is indeed true

doesnt this imply that the cop is miller-proof or that there are no millers in the game? or am i missing something?

why have millers and a miller-proof cop? unless there are multiple cops i guess? like alignment and faction variants

[Chemist1422]

from my experience with titus she's pretty well-known for her VCA

and i don't think d2 after a scum flip is a bad time for it

I agree the timing is good but the fact she didn’t take into account known information and wanted to set my biases from it is troubling. VCA becomes viable the moment a scum flip happens but must take into account all info.

I need to see what Mastina thinks given Titus’s hard defense.

i would wait for her to post her notes before making a judgement like this

[Almost50]

If it's a faction Cop (which it clearly isn't) it would only show the name of the faction each time they target someone.

But it is NOT a faction Cop, because it didn't tell us Norwee belongs to <faction name> but rather that he is NOT a given faction, which means it's a

specific

faction Cop that gets "Belongs to Army/Doesn't belong to Army".

[Morning Mage]

I'm very excited right now.

And yes, that is a hard claim.

[Chemist1422]

If it's a faction Cop (which it clearly isn't) it would only show the name of the faction each time they target someone.

But it is NOT a faction Cop, because it didn't tell us Norwee belongs to <faction name> but rather that he is NOT a given faction, which means it's a

specific

faction Cop that gets "Belongs to Army/Doesn't belong to Army".

how does your miller passive work