Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Tammy]

I mean lying town have made those types of fake claims before; it's not a totally unbelievable thing. One of the very many reasons I took a break from mafia was because of just how many lying town there were some time back.

[Cabd]

As Ffery mentions. It happened exactly once with me involved. And it's a very regretful event.

[Tammy]

That wasn't even on my mind!

[Gamma Emerald]

DS' attempts to poke into look more like malicious prying than genuine inquisition

[Tammy]

I think that DS's position on that was silly because I don't think that's what's happening here, but I don't think it's scummy for him to have originally thought it.

I don't know people's indignation is starting to wear down the thoughts I had about them being scum.

It could also be my brain is total mush right now. Trying to parse through the bulge/peta stuff and kinda want to throw in with conviction.

[Tammy]

DS' attempts to poke into look more like malicious prying than genuine inquisition

Maybe I'm projecting some because so often when I've poked at the claims and the supposed confirmed town of some results, claims, etc. I've gotten yelled at and accused of trying to widen the net and break down the town. I've been town every time that accusation has been thrown at me, and sometimes I've been right to question them.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've faced those same allegations myself, but I've shown real thought process every time I've done that sort of thing, I feel. DS isn't showing any thought, just a desire to weaken the basis for the townblock

[fferyllt]

If you're making an index of taylor posts i feel as though it's neglectful not to mention 1214 because that to me feels like one of the most crucial ones because it's very likely the exact opposite of what was going on

Yeah, I was going to come back to that, but I hadn't taken the time to read the previous two pages again.

I need sleep, but I don't want to go to bed at 7:30 pm and be up at 1.

[petapan]

I think that DS's position on that was silly because I don't think that's what's happening here, but I don't think it's scummy for him to have originally thought it.

I don't know people's indignation is starting to wear down the thoughts I had about them being scum.

It could also be my brain is total mush right now. Trying to parse through the bulge/peta stuff and kinda want to throw in with conviction.

i am not going to stop being annoying about this until i get my way

[Tammy]

I think that DS's position on that was silly because I don't think that's what's happening here, but I don't think it's scummy for him to have originally thought it.

I don't know people's indignation is starting to wear down the thoughts I had about them being scum.

It could also be my brain is total mush right now. Trying to parse through the bulge/peta stuff and kinda want to throw in with conviction.

i am not going to stop being annoying about this until i get my way

I've been wondering if a bulge/nahdia/maybe midwaybear solve made any sense

my earlier scum reads on bell/gamma/DS are starting to wane with what feels like real indignation about their views and I'm not sure if it's because my brain is just dead today or not. Midwaybear I only really townread the first part of day one and he's dropped off significantly since then, but Taylor did interact with him a lot, so I'm not sure what that means.

[Bell]

My nap was similarly unproductive. @Peta think taylor was projecting?
It didn't occur to me at the time but Taylor was voting Diamond while agreeing with him.
She's gunna drop misleading hints everywhere, I didn't know it at the time, but she really does always seem scummy/gets wagoned as town or scum. I wish I had asked her more questions about her experience level on this and any other sites she played on.

[Tammy]

I'm gonna work on reading through what I missed and through peta/bulge, but I'm probably going to fall asleep doing it. Have a long day tomorrow but hopefully I can fit in a chunk of time to do something before my afternoon hell meeting part two.

[fferyllt]

My nap was similarly unproductive. @Peta think taylor was projecting?
It didn't occur to me at the time but Taylor was voting Diamond while agreeing with him.
She's gunna drop misleading hints everywhere, I didn't know it at the time, but she really does always seem scummy/gets wagoned as town or scum. I wish I had asked her more questions about her experience level on this and any other sites she played on.

She unvoted right after agreeing with him?

[Bell]

There's really not enough information for me to draw a conclusion as to whether Taylor knew who was scum. /: She was traveling around. I think it's more strange she interacted with as many players as she did than the other way around given it's a large game.

@FF, I believe she did yes. It might have been a delayed relaxation. It felt off in retrospect. But hindsight 20/20, etc.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm like 99.9% sure tay knew

[Cabd]

Players she didn't mention:
Nahdia
Syryana

One of these makes sense. The other very much does not.

[Bell]

I'm like 99.9% sure tay knew

Walk me through it?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was probably intentional.

i can actually see taylor doing that because she's a massive shitposting troll

i find it less likely she does it when she's an actual traitor

y'all need to shut up, I was obviously trying to get Tayl0r to clarify without letting her know what I was looking for.

Okay Tayl0r if it wasn't an accident why did you do it then?

a) its fun
b) to ideally create some mud to make scums lives harder

I want you to translate this through a traitor's scum motives and tell me what you think Tay is actually trying to say.

[fferyllt]

There's really not enough information for me to draw a conclusion as to whether Taylor knew who was scum. /: She was traveling around. I think it's more strange she interacted with as many players as she did than the other way around given it's a large game.

@FF, I believe she did yes. It might have been a delayed relaxation. It felt off in retrospect. But hindsight 20/20, etc.

Presumably, all her interactions were fake. None of it feels like real suspicion to me and much of it is pure trollery. I could be a little biased, though!

[petapan]

My nap was similarly unproductive. @Peta think taylor was projecting?
It didn't occur to me at the time but Taylor was voting Diamond while agreeing with him.
She's gunna drop misleading hints everywhere, I didn't know it at the time, but she really does always seem scummy/gets wagoned as town or scum. I wish I had asked her more questions about her experience level on this and any other sites she played on.

i don't think it was projecting it was something to the effect of a callout - i reread the entire thread. apart from you/me/midway the vast majority of the posts are from players who are now claimed masons. i think "scum were active and trying to distance from each other" was probably vague shade at everyone who was actually posting?

i agree that a lot of what she said is going to be misleading and as such i don't want to read into it too much or make it the sole basis of a case but i think it's useful if it complements other evidence you have against someone

i also don't think you're going to get an honest answer on experience level but [coughs loudly]

[fferyllt]

heh

[DiamondSentinel]

Bell's response definitely sounds like the scummier out of the two when you put it that way...

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DS isn't looking at the claims skeptically, he's trying to attack through them
If he was skeptical about the claims he would have naturally happened across the thought the cabd-SS mason pair could be scum claiming together, instead he had to be spoon-fed that idea, at which point he realized it made a lot more sense than the drivel he was pushing and made it his own thought process with no regard for his old beliefs.

I literally never said that they were scum claiming together because that's unoptimal scum play. As soon as one goes down, the other soon follows. It's not a good long-term strat remotely.

Of course, you'd have to actually use more than a single brain cell to realize that, so I guess I can't be too hard on that.

[DiamondSentinel]

I mean lying town have made those types of fake claims before; it's not a totally unbelievable thing. One of the very many reasons I took a break from mafia was because of just how many lying town there were some time back.

Thank you. Fucking finally someone else expresses the underlying assertion here.

Town lying is neither uncommon nor entirely unoptimal. It is a strategy that some can make work and some can not make work.

[Cabd]

Yeah, DS chose a vastly DIFFERENT way to completely be wrong!

That said, I claimed partners on page one so yeah.

[Gamma Emerald]

oh
wow I misread

BAD