That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.
Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
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I also object to the classification “running ragged” to avoid the conclusion.
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Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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A multitude didnt spring up. They were there already.In post 3525, Titus wrote:
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.
Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
Check the VC again Titus. Scum were inactive/ineffective.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.In post 3528, Titus wrote:
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?- Titus
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Scum were. Whenever they'd get on a counterwagon, it died most likely. Scum tried to get counters but town (or town plus 3p if semantic) had synergized.In post 3529, MathBlade wrote:
A multitude didnt spring up. They were there already.In post 3525, Titus wrote:
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.
Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
Check the VC again Titus. Scum were inactive/ineffective.
Now, rather than bicker about theory, let's talk about reads.
I will agree you make a decent point to bump down Pickaxe Pete though.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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like, I do understand that others could be paranoid about our claims but hunting 3p instead of army is either stupid or scummy.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Queue your claim:In post 1974, Nero Cain wrote:superbowl and a50 but they win with the town and ONLY the town, they promise.In post 3505, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like you and april and whomever pushing us has a good chance of being scum b/c hunting 3p is a pro-scum move.- Something_Smart
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Gamma's played with a lot of people. Meta. He really does omgus and self-wagon analyze way more as town than he did when he got here.In post 3530, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.In post 3528, Titus wrote:
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?- Titus
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I think you and I have a different standard for counterwagons.In post 3530, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.In post 3528, Titus wrote:
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
This post comes from someone who recognizes they are on the outside.
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My reads are based on theory. So if you don’t understand my theory you won’t understand my reads. Because you’ve got a lot of people as scum the VCA doesn’t support. If you assume Pickaxe Pete is scum that’s in the inactive/ineffective column not the shopping for counter wagon as Pete’s never moved.In post 3531, Titus wrote:
Scum were. Whenever they'd get on a counterwagon, it died most likely. Scum tried to get counters but town (or town plus 3p if semantic) had synergized.In post 3529, MathBlade wrote:
A multitude didnt spring up. They were there already.In post 3525, Titus wrote:
That's also incorrect. Scum weren't sitting on one counterwagon alone, given the multitude that sprung up.In post 3522, MathBlade wrote:
If you read my post carefully I agree, planned bus was impossible based on claims. However I don’t see the evidence of a scum aiming for a counter wagon. I looked at the people on the wagon and a majority of the scum would have to be on Ban All Hydras.In post 3519, Titus wrote:@Mathblade, You're running yourself ragged trying to avoid the conclusion scum were shopping for a counterwagon and failed.
Logically, gamma could not have been a planned bus because only Pickaxe Pete could be early army on the wagon.
I just don’t see that as viable based on my read.
Check the VC again Titus. Scum were inactive/ineffective.
Now, rather than bicker about theory, let's talk about reads.
I will agree you make a decent point to bump down Pickaxe Pete though.
I kinda think I am getting into the groove.
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Definitionally, 100% of the time.In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
But plenty of things look like scumslips that aren't.
Presumably you're asking "what percentage of alleged scumslips are real scumslips", which I would estimate at around 4%.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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Something Smart, maaaybe Golden Paradox but that one is a stretch. I mainly have a lot of townreads atm.In post 3540, Titus wrote:
I think you and I have a different standard for counterwagons.In post 3530, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
it hit scum (probably?). in that sense it was good. but the wagon itself i thought was bad at the time. i never understood why it was so quick to form, why there were no counterwagons, except on BH who was even townier, or what the reasons for the wagon were to begin with.In post 3528, Titus wrote:
Can you clarify this? I read it multple times and it sounds like you're implying the Gamma wagon wasn't good.In post 3526, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i think the SS wagon (other than the scumslip) is about as good as the gamma wagon yesterday. that is to say, i think its not good. and how often do scumslips actually come from scum?
This post comes from someone who recognizes they are on the outside.
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There's no such thing as a rule of three outside of what titus would call moon logic.In post 3514, MathBlade wrote:Spoiler: followupVC not colored mobile
Almost50 a 3P leaves
Nero leaves
Mastina and Morning Mage enter the wagon.
This leaves Morning Mage and Pickaxe Pete as only potential army on the wagon.
On the Ban all hydras wagon added Nero Sam and GE
Nero is 3P who floated between the wagons
GE was voting the biggest wagon other than himself.
So we’re left with Plus DS Christopher (who I think is Chemist) and Samantha (scully I think)
Rule of three says there’s likely a scum somewhere in this list.
However again none of these were really pushing the wagons iirc (please correct me if I am wrong)
Based on tone this didn’t seem like a scum driven wagon either.
So this game seems to be driven by NT players.
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fmpov its no different than town being calling scum and saying that you shouldn't lynch me b/c its a mislynch.In post 3537, Tayl0r Swift wrote:in a shocking development, the 3p wants us to not look at the 3p.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Not a theory but wagon theory.In post 3544, Bell wrote:@Mathblade:
What theory?
I have like 4 empirical bits of data that are reliable and unlikely to change but a theory seems a little far off.
The wagon theory says scum were ineffective/useless and not pushing the counter wagon.
Titus and I deviate here. I am guessing it’s because she’s 3P and wants to control it like she is town. So she’s trying to label herself as town to reach the conclusion she did. However as she’s claimed 3P the data doesn’t support it. It would maybe be a possibility if she was town but not 3P.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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@Math, Pete couldn't move to a counter without losing the towncred.In post 3264, Titus wrote:Town Titus
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A planned bus doesn't generate four counters. Scum would abandon the bus.
I have realistically 8 names that could be scum. I'm cutting off at above null right now. That needs to have 4 scum.
Can you look at your notes and see who overlaps?
Second, if scum are in the ineffectives...that points to SS, jjh... DDL...and you.
I am pretty sure Pickaxe moves to Taylor level based on today's developments.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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