Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[morph the cat]

in order to believe Maid you have to allow for that, yeah?

Ughhhh this is confusing okay fuck it gonna go back downstairs to my desktop PC and diagram this.

[Remilia Scarlet]

the refunded shot is....interesting but ultimately might be the key to the confirm here

[Secret Tunnel]

@bell if you’re still skimming can you back me up on maids reads? Them claiming they nailed the scum team is weird and doesn’t make sense with their iso

[morph the cat]

So in a town-maid world, correct me if I'm wrong here:

N1 something caused them to not be able to act, their shot WAS refunded. They WERE the target of the day removal

Day 2 they could not post due to the yeet.

N2 they got their shot off, their shot was used up, they were NOT the original target of the day removal.

Day 3 they could not post due to the yeet.

[zMuffinMan]

the balance of this game is just

completely fucked in a mariaboy town world

lemme think

[morph the cat]

completely fucked

Regardless of mariaboy town or mariaboy scum.

[Secret Tunnel]

Yes I’ve already asked the mods in my PT what resolves first, alien or lightning rod

If alien, would the lightning rod pull it off the primary target

[Remilia Scarlet]

So in a town-maid world, correct me if I'm wrong here:

N1 something caused them to not be able to act, their shot WAS refunded. They WERE the target of the day removal

Day 2 they could not post due to the yeet.

N2 they got their shot off, their shot was used up, they were NOT the original target of the day removal.

Day 3 they could not post due to the yeet.

that's what I'm thinking; there would have to be a deliberate check that says a roleblock on your action refunds it

only thing that strikes me about all of it is that's two HUGE ways to block a kill in a world where we likely know no strongman exists

[Bell]

@bell if you’re still skimming can you back me up on maids reads? Them claiming they nailed the scum team is weird and doesn’t make sense with their iso

They have two heads.
Perhaps MariaR had all the bad reads and Beeboy had all the good reads.
It's also inexplicable that scum could force a draw by self targeting.

This ability have been used 3 times, nobody is claiming that they did this.

[Secret Tunnel]

1s rolecop
Goon
Alien

Bork
Non consec mage
Weak neighborizer. Or

1 shot rod
Non consec mage
Weak neighborizer. Or

Bork
1 shot rod
Non consec mage
Weak neighborizwr

[morph the cat]

In a mariaboy-town world... what scumteam targets mariaboy night one. Because presumably they WERE actually targeted.

And their "bomb" pool was {ST, Remelia}

So.... 8 alive today, assume we're always down one due to the yeet.

1v6 right now.

Mislim, night kill.

1v4 tomorrow.

Mislim, night kill.

1v2 lim-lo.

So we have three elims.

[zMuffinMan]

OK so

basically mariaboy-town world requires the removaliser to force-commute at night and then carry over into the next day

mariaboy claims blocked at night N1
april's action not succeeding N2 means mariaboy had to have been untargetable due to the removaliser

i think we can start with that assumption




what doesn't make sense to me however is how this game was ever supposed to be balanced around that

realistically speaking, 90% of the time this setup is run in a mariaboy-town world, lightning rod is used N1, the friendly neighbour is blocked, the doc protects someone they didn't intend to protect and no kill occurs...

[Remilia Scarlet]

and then doc can't act again until N3. so I guess I can see it

[Secret Tunnel]

Wait

In a Maria town world it just acts as a n1 global role stop

[zMuffinMan]

oh and there's a 1-shot scum rolecop that would have had their 1-shot ability wasted (and i guess refunded?) on a lightning rod due to the interactions with that removaliser l o l

[Secret Tunnel]

Idk I bet mage would keep it’s shot a la the rod shot being kept

[morph the cat]

Also, april presumably cannot post to his neighborhood right now, because he's been on site a LOT and no way he wouldn't be writing an essay through the bulge right now.

[Bell]

Is there a specific wording to what April said about his action that could differentiate between being role blocked and having his investigate sucked into the void?

[Bell]

Also, april presumably cannot post to his neighborhood right now, because he's been on site a LOT and no way he wouldn't be writing an essay through the bulge right now.

He was one when Bulge posted too.

Is there a guide to which actions are faster in a priority list?

[morph the cat]

Technically, NAR.

If they're using it.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Resolution

[morph the cat]

Mafia Members may make the factional nightkill in addition to any active abilities they have.

Also yes they're fucking multi-acting.

[Remilia Scarlet]

yeah since both of these actions affect the other, you have to use the NAR tiebreaker stuff

NAR is explained horribly on that page btw

[zMuffinMan]

the wording of that is ambiguous about whether they can multi-action (yes, i know, plural, but it's unclear whether "active abilities they have" refers to a single scum with multiple abilities or just generally that scum may have multiple abilities that they can each use without allowing for multi-actioning)

[zMuffinMan]

that's why i wanted to ask about it (already read that part of nacho rules)

[morph the cat]

Copy
Hide <--Generally I apply commuting to be here, but it's up to each mod to decide that.
Bus Drive
Block <--The alien role could be here instead
Redirect <--Lightning Rod would be Here
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect